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Stainless steel can and will rust under the "right" conditions. Numerous forms: galvanic, pitting, crevice, etc. Type of SS (chrome content, classification, etc), quality of manufacture could play a role too.
How are you storing the watch, any exposure to high Chloride environments, low pH, or highly reducing environments (such as some forms of bacterial activity), are you wearing something else on your wrist with the watch (bracelet or such)?
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Ive talked time and time and time again about my Patek experiences and the horrible shoddy quality...
Always was bashed for it lol Just had a convo about declining quality recently with an almost "ex" patek collector! This has been like this for the past 5-7 years now easy and tons of my Pateks, every single one of them broke in some way Beautiful watches however the QC seems non existent Hope you get it sorted OP, |
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Should I take my 5711 for a swim ASAP just to make sure there will be no corrosion?
![]() Replacing the OP's bracelet only may show as the new one will likely have an ever so slightly different color / shine from the old one and the case. No prob if it was a 20y old watch but given that the OP's watch is basically brand new I would insist on getting a new case+bracelet combo or a new watch altogether. A new watch may come w the new movement though... Up to the OP if that is a plus or minus... PS WD40 is not abrasive just like Ballistol oil... |
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Patek desperately needs a major management shift. Those of us who remember Patek decades ago remember the great service, excellent build quality, etc. Constantly re-casing their long-in-the-tooth movements into larger and larger cases is kinda a rip off imho too. Patek needs to produce at least two new base movements asap, perhaps three.
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The whole watch look awful IMHO......
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That is the unobtanium seeping out of the metal:)
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The difference in color / shine is not necessarily related to how old the watch is. The exact color / shine of stainless steel depends on the polishing - in this case on how worn the polishing materials / abrasive were when the new bracelet was made compared to the existing case. If you get a new watch the case and bracelet have been polished "together" so to speak. But w the new bracelet the wear status of the polishing materials will naturally have been different. Often you will see this as a Patek Service Center rep explained to me... |
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Were it me, I'd absolutely prefer the 330 and that might be additional motivation to request an entirely new watch (lack of hacking is the sole reason I almost never travel with my PP if crossing timezones). However, if that weren't the case, I'd probably simply go with the new bracelet instead of having it re-cased. At least then I would only have to wait for the bracelet to ship and wouldn't have the potential unknown of something else getting messed up during the re-casing. |
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Sad to read this, take it right away to the dealer and let them sort it out for you, i wore my 5711 to the sea, and never had an issue with it, as long you rinse it with fresh water, let us know the outcome later, but this is trully unacceptable
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Luckily should be covered under warranty, so would just have PP replace bracelet. I doubt they would replace entire watch.
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The constituent parts of the case and bracelet are done individually, and once the bracelet is assembled and the non-removable links pinned, the sides are made flush and given a brushed finish. |
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All of that said...rust??? Either a serious defect in material or some other answer. Either way, I'd have it back to the AD in a jiffy! |
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Obviously it benefits Patek to swap the bracelet, and push the OP to accepting this under the threat of not knowing how soon a replacement could be made available to him. |
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An interesting excerpt from Patek's site here: https://www.patek.com/en/company/sav...-and-bracelets
A finished example: The Nautilus After machining, it takes around 55 different hand-finishing operations to complete the Nautilus case and bracelet. It begins with preparing the exterior links one by one: emerizing on the underside and satin brushing on top. Then preparing the center links one by one: emerizing on the underside, mirror polishing on top. Next is the assembly of the bracelet: fitting the links together and driving in the pins. Chamfering, which means cutting away sharp edges, is then performed on the underside and top of the bracelet. The underside and top are then satin brushed for a uniform surface. Next is masking - protecting the surrounding area ahead of the next operation with lacquer or tape, and attaching perforated masking tape along the top of the bracelet. Then the center links and chamfer work are polished and buffed. Next, the clasp is assembled, adjusted for tension, fitted to the bracelet, and the cover riveted (on a triple-blade clasp). A final inspection follows this. |
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I was just looking at my chnr and I'm curious why Patek doesn't have the screw heads perfectly flat / level with the bracelet like Rolex does?
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When did you get your piece, from your post it seems even more recent than April?
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Ive been wearing my 5711 daily lately and zero rust anywhere on the bracelet. I clean it occasionally in water with dawn soap.
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Take it to the lady with the JoolTool.......
Just kidding! ![]() As many TRFers have already mentioned here, SUS doesn't rust. There are exceptions, but the steel used in wristwatch manufacture has a low carbon content which resists oxidisation, even in harsh environments. If the "rust" you talk about had only been on one side of the bracelet, then I would've been inclined to suggest that you have picked up some carbon steel (mild steel) from somewhere and cross contaminated your bracelet. But because it's appeared on both sides, that would suggest a defect in manufacture, welding process, material, etc. Perhaps the best answer would be to return to PP, for a full explanation and replacement bracelet. |
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Looking at the AP manufacturing video, it doesn't look as though filler metal is used during the welding process, the excess metal from the pins is the filler. I'm only speculating here, but perhaps the welding current was fluctuating during welding on your bracelet, meaning that the current could've been too high during some of the welds and disturbed the crystalline structure of the bracelet steel causing it to rust.
I understand that this isn't really helping your problem, but might go to help you fight the case for a new bracelet. Good luck! |
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However, should the OP demand a new watch, PP will likely take the old one back, completely recondition it, and then sell it as new. I know this because when my 5065 died after a month of wear, I insisted on a brand new one. Several months after receiving it I got a call from the AD, asking if I could send back the box/papers from the original, as it had been reconditioned by PP and was back in their display case. Due to its thinness, doesn't the Nautilus bracelet use pins, instead of screws? Probably a lot harder to get that so perfect when you have so little space to work with and aren't using threaded screws that stop going in when the threads end. |
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PP excuse versus economic reality is taht screws over time became difficult to take out whereas a pin could be bashed out with a hammer
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And people actually believed because it's due to the thickness of the bracelet? Laughable Sent from my VTR-L29 using Tapatalk |
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