1977 GMT 1675 stolen in California. Serial #5515833.

[NickD1975]

Originally Posted by SOG DIVER

USPS or face to face-
Some came into the US without documentation or vetting....

Not the time or place for bigotry.

@Springer, can I ask why you had to wait before posting that it was stolen? Was it due to the insurance situation? Sad to say its probably been long sold now, and it's disgusting that Fed Ex and/or the insurer wouldn't stand up and take responsibility.

[Haywood_Milton]

I keep my own log of such reports and am slightly puzzled by the appearance of the same watch in this 2019 thread :

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=5515833

on whose second page is the following :

"UPDATE................UPDATE

Today I received a call from my watchmaker in Dallas who told me that he received a U.S. Postal Service package on Monday that contained the missing/stolen watch that was the subject of this thread. According to my watchmaker, the package was fully intact and did not appear to have been opened or tampered with in any way. The GMT 1675 was fully secure within the package. The owner of the watch was notified by the watchmaker that the package was delivered and, to say the least, he was ecstatic.

Today I talked with the owner of the watch, and according to him, he has not received any notification from the USPS that the package was located and delivered - which I find appalling. Additionally, he has yet to hear anything from USPS as to where his package has been for the past three months!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Am I missing something? Was it lost during transit in 2018, quickly relocated....but then lost again recently in almost identical circumstances?

Insta : haywood_milton_rolex

[Kingface66]

What the hell??

[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

I keep my own log of such reports and am slightly puzzled by the appearance of the same watch in this 2019 thread :

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=5515833

on whose second page is the following :

"UPDATE................UPDATE

Today I received a call from my watchmaker in Dallas who told me that he received a U.S. Postal Service package on Monday that contained the missing/stolen watch that was the subject of this thread. According to my watchmaker, the package was fully intact and did not appear to have been opened or tampered with in any way. The GMT 1675 was fully secure within the package. The owner of the watch was notified by the watchmaker that the package was delivered and, to say the least, he was ecstatic.

Today I talked with the owner of the watch, and according to him, he has not received any notification from the USPS that the package was located and delivered - which I find appalling. Additionally, he has yet to hear anything from USPS as to where his package has been for the past three months!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Am I missing something? Was it lost during transit in 2018, quickly relocated....but then lost again recently in almost identical circumstances?

Insta : haywood_milton_rolex

It isn't that strange - sometimes lighting strikes twice.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

It isn't that strange - sometimes lighting strikes twice.

This is not my experience and I think it quite exceptional, if this is what has happened.

[77T]

Odd coincidence noted.

As a note of balance on the FedEx narrative - Collect on Delivery isn’t available for overnight service. When I’m shipping it is solely overnight. Granted, I don’t have nearly the volume active sellers do.

Hadn’t seen similar incidents noted by the boutique sellers who use FedEx overnight. With their collective volume one would think lightning would have struck one of them in the past 12 years.


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[BigBlue1]

Huh?

[1675-David]

wow! Thats weird!!

[springer]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

This is not my experience and I think it quite exceptional, if this is what has happened.

The watch was originally sold by me several years ago to a gentleman here in Texas and disappeared while being shipped to a watchmaker here in Dallas. It was eventually found and delivered by the postal service to the watchmaker a couple months after not being delivered and reported as stolen.

During the course of this, the owner decided to sell the watch and I purchased it back from him. I sold the watch later to another forum member where it was stolen in California.

Nothing mysterious here at all Haywood. Maybe next time you have a question or concern, you'll give me the courtesy of a message if you need a further explanation.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

This is not my experience and I think it quite exceptional, if this is what has happened.

What does...if that is what happened mean? I don't care for the insinuations by that statement at all.

[springer]

Originally Posted by 77T

Odd coincidence noted.

As a note of balance on the FedEx narrative - Collect on Delivery isn’t available for overnight service. When I’m shipping it is solely overnight. Granted, I don’t have nearly the volume active sellers do.

Hadn’t seen similar incidents noted by the boutique sellers who use FedEx overnight. With their collective volume one would think lightning would have struck one of them in the past 12 years.


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I ship COD through FedEx overnight delivery often. Maybe it is only available through my insurance carrier Inforsure where the FedEx shipping labels are prepared at their website.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by springer

The watch was originally sold by me several years ago to a gentleman here in Texas and disappeared while being shipped to a watchmaker here in Dallas. It was eventually found and delivered by the postal service to the watchmaker a couple months after not being delivered and reported as stolen.

During the course of this, the owner decided to sell the watch and I purchased it back from him. I sold the watch later to another forum member where it was stolen in California.

Nothing mysterious here at all Haywood. Maybe next time you have a question or concern, you'll give me the courtesy of a message if you need a further explanation.

I'm not quite sure why my question offended but am sorry if it did.

I am unable to message privately as I now have to leave my inbox full.

[springer]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

wow! Thats weird!!

Read my response to Milton.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by springer

What does...if that is what happened mean? I don't care for the insinuations by that statement at all.

No insinuation intended whatsoever. At that point in the thread we could only surmise what had happened.

[hutch300]

Don't worry JP - we all here know you are a complete gentleman. We are lucky to have you in this community.

Bummer about the loss on this GMT. Hopefully some of the local dealers in San Diego will keep an eye out.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by hutch300

Don't worry JP - we all here know you are a complete gentleman.

To be clear, as do I - which is one of the reasons I made a special point to enter the watch in my records, hoping I might be able to spot it for him.

The repeated loss under similar circumstances is most unusual and I felt my "double-take" was not unreasonable, but the written word has rather allowed it to be misconstrued.

[hutch300]

I can see your perspective and JP's. I think the casual reader might get it misconstrued and I think that's all cleared up now. We need folks like you two to help teach the rest of us. I would think in a small town like SD there is a chance it will pop up at a watchmaker shop or with a dealer.

[SOG DIVER]

JP has made invaluable contributions to this site with his in-depth knowledge of Rolex-Swiss horology.

As to Nickle, the definitions of US and UK Immigration statutes remain very similar. New Scotland Yard is still on Bond Street. Persons lacking in moral character or with extensive criminal records are excluded.
Interstate theft of Rolex watches falls under the jurisdiction of the FBI, though value and circumstances are factors considered.

[NickD1975]

Originally Posted by SOG DIVER

JP has made invaluable contributions to this site with his in-depth knowledge of Rolex-Swiss horology.

As to Nickle, the definitions of US and UK Immigration statutes remain very similar. New Scotland Yard is still on Bond Street. Persons lacking in moral character or with extensive criminal records are excluded.
Interstate theft of Rolex watches falls under the jurisdiction of the FBI, though value and circumstances are factors considered.

bigotry
/ˈbɪɡətri/

noun
obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

If that isn’t what you meant, then word it better.

Consider that a response to your unnecessary PM too. Boasting about your service isn’t a good look either.

Perhaps we should stop clogging up this thread now though…

[MrChamfers]

I doubt high end watch theft is perpetrated even minimally by folks that "came into the US without documentation or vetting."
Since SOG brought it up, maybe he can post some evidence of his suspicions in the Open Discussion forum...that, or refrain from unsubstantiated accusations.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by springer

The watch was originally sold by me several years ago to a gentleman here in Texas and disappeared while being shipped to a watchmaker here in Dallas. It was eventually found and delivered by the postal service to the watchmaker a couple months after not being delivered and reported as stolen.

During the course of this, the owner decided to sell the watch and I purchased it back from him. I sold the watch later to another forum member where it was stolen in California.

What an interesting story of bad luck for one watch, that's one for the archives. We can only hope that it will be recovered again.

[indianmachine]

it's haunted!!!!

[CFR]

Originally Posted by springer

I am reaching out to everyone regarding a GMT 1675 that was stolen from me last year while being delivered by FedEx to a residence in San Diego.

John, very sorry this happened to you. I've had several watches stolen in transit (USPS and UPS, not FedEx), and one was actually recovered, so I hope you get it back soon.

@SOG DIVER: Please stop digging in your heels. Your comment about "our population" is irrelevant to this thread and has no place on TRF.

[Boaters]

Sorry to hear that JP what a mess .. Good Luck Capt. Mike

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by SOG DIVER

JP has made invaluable contributions to this site with his in-depth knowledge of Rolex-Swiss horology.

As to Nickle, the definitions of US and UK Immigration statutes remain very similar. New Scotland Yard is still on Bond Street. Persons lacking in moral character or with extensive criminal records are excluded.
Interstate theft of Rolex watches falls under the jurisdiction of the FBI, though value and circumstances are factors considered.

Just a small correction - Scotland Yard was in Whitehall place , and New Scotland Yard is on Victoria Embankment. Neither are that close to New/Old Bond Street, where I have an office.

[SOG DIVER]

Thanks -TuRo;
You are right of course.
Correct me if I am a bit off on an incident that occurred in London, I think-a bit ago.
An individual was attacked outside a watch shop there and badly injured or KIA.
Was that an AD shop or is my memory still faulty?

We colonial law enforcement/miltary types never respond to criticism of what we know is the law of the land. Your correction was quite civilized, which is what I have come to appreciate while in the UK and Ireland.

I do miss the late 1960s and early 70s, when I first purchased my initial Rolex 1680 Submariner with 4 crystals at the China Fleet Club in Hong Kong.
I think that I shall never own a Submariner without drilled lugs.
The latest being a 1960 5512 gilt dial specimen. Cheers.

[Singhalager]

unlucky watch sorry to read

[Fellini]

C is very clever. Love that bezel, it‘s a shame!