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wcl884 · 7 February 2010, 02:26 AM

Wow! This is one entertaining thread.

Thanks Pete for the clarification :) 4 spaces breaking up into 5 lines!

DRAWTOOL · 7 February 2010, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by InVision

Pete it is me, every time I post I create havoc...

Mike

I think it's that eyeball thing you got goin' on.

InVision · 7 February 2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rscmaine

I just found CY&Co in a listing of British gold companies- the company was in business as early as the 1860's- to actually determine what you have, you need to look at the tiny hallmarks...

Ok from left to right it has a (c),(.375),(an anchor sideways),("B" with flag on top).

Mike

Safetrends · 7 February 2010, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

the MADE IN ENGLAND is disturbing .... it should say SWISS MADE, at the least ...could be an aftermarket item...look at the crown on the clasp .... it is going overboard and it has 4 lines .... rolex crowns have 5 lines ....

You do not know what you are saying, if I was you I would not make any more comments until you have a good understanding of Rolex watches and the different countries it has hired in the past to produce watch bands, and the likes. Get a couple of books and start reading.

rolexsubdate · 7 February 2010, 02:31 AM

yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ...

Safetrends · 7 February 2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

I am not trying to be pos or neg ... I am commenting on what I see ,,,, I have never seen a Rolex crown with 4 lines .... if there is, then I am wrong and i will gladly appologize ... just from the pics, the crown and MADE IN ENGLAND just sounds suspicious ... well the crwon looks suspicious ...if it has 5, I can't see the 5th one ... may be it is the way pics are taken ...can you please point out where the 5th one is?

No, I am not a doctor ... my job is to interrogate poeple .... I scrutinize every little thing told to me until there is nothing left ... all loose ends are tied ...if the story is legit, it is legit from all angles ... if not, then I can poke holes through it ....and catch them ...

Mosco · 7 February 2010, 02:35 AM

Alright kids, let's play nice... No need to get belligerent over a coronet..

And RolexSubDate - believe me, you don't need documentation. Some folks here are better than any book I've ever seen... Mike, Tools, and few others - their words can be taken to the bank, mate!

buz-lh · 7 February 2010, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ...

Here's a couple of pictures of a USA C&I bracelet clasp from 1972 that has been documented as being original from Rolex.

ParisDakarBmw · 7 February 2010, 02:41 AM

It looks to be 9k, and of Rolex construction. 5 points on the crown. Great find

PeteNYC13 · 7 February 2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

MADE IN ENGLAND???? you sir have something rare: It is DOLEX band .... look how crappy the steel looks ... I bet you can scrape off the steel with a razor blade ....it is proably aluminum ... but be careful, it might crack into many pieces ....Look at the crown on the bracelet: 4 marks on the crown ...It is screaming "FAKE!!!!" ... I thought the crown had 5 .....it just doesn't have the steel finish/look .... I seriously doubt it is steel ....

"yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ... "
__________________________________________________ _______________

it's not that you were wrong, you were so wrong, with such arrogance and rudeness!

Now you want documents to prove what others, who clearly know more are saying... do you not see how your posts sound and look to us?!

Just let Mike enjoy his find and discuss it with people who know what they are talking about. I don't think he needs to prove it's value or authenticity to you ("now if you can find it documented...")... he isn't trying to sell it to you or take a loan from you.

-Pete

Dan Pierce · 7 February 2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

I'm the first to admit my knowledge about bracelets could be better, but back in the day bracelets were not only made in England, but Mexico and the USA for two others.

I believe USA bracelets could be had into the mid 70s.

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ...

As Mike says, there was a time when Rolex had their bracelets produced in other countries.

dP

DRAWTOOL · 7 February 2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InVision

Anyone know what WAB stands for?

Mike

In the Marines WAG meant "Wild Ass Guess", you don't suppose...

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ...

You were also wrong on your steel/aluminum falling apart & scrape off assumption.

Tylden Reed · 7 February 2010, 02:44 AM

A nice piece. Hallmarked in Birmingham (anchor) 9ct. CYCo ? don't know the mark but will ask around. WAB is known to me. WAB (Watch Accessories Birmingham) was owned by Oscar Winter, a friend of Hans Wilsdorf, and owner of Rolex UK, the importers of ROLEX watches in the UK. Rolex Switzerland allowed ROLEX UK to have bracelets and gold non-Oyster watch cases made in the UK. The date letter will determin its age but I cannot read it from the photograph. Tylden.

Rscmaine · 7 February 2010, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ...
Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented .....

I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows ....

thank you ...

You mean like this lovely JB Champion 1960's USA manufactured bracelet?

Or this nice Mexican C&I 7206 (worth well over $1,000 to the right buyer?)

Sheesh.

Rscmaine · 7 February 2010, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tylden Reed

A nice piece. Hallmarked in Birmingham (anchor) 9ct. CYCo ? don't know the mark but will ask around. WAB is known to me. WAB (Watch Accessories Birmingham) was owned by Oscar Winter, a friend of Hans Wilsdorf, and owner of Rolex UK, the importers of ROLEX watches in the UK. Rolex Switzerland allowed ROLEX UK to have bracelets and gold non-Oyster watch cases made in the UK. The date letter will determin its age but I cannot read it from the photograph. Tylden.

Brilliant Tylden!

sakuraba · 7 February 2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DRAWTOOL

In the Marines WAG meant "Wild Ass Guess", you don't suppose...

What would that make the B in WAB?

Tools · 7 February 2010, 02:49 AM

Rolex began in, and was a UK company for many years..

They finally moved their Hq to the Aegler movement manufacturing site in SA when the UK taxes became onerous..

InVision · 7 February 2010, 02:50 AM

Well I sketched out what I see for the marking. I wish a had a good macro camera. Thanks for all the help and havoc...

rolexsubdate · 7 February 2010, 02:50 AM

ok folks ... if people start telling me that rolex outsourced its bracelets to mexico or south america or whatever country other than switxerland, then I am gonna run the other way ... I thought ROLEX was 100% swiss made ...it is just a red flag for those of us who do not know the history too well ....
But in all the rolex books I have read, I never came across this outsourcing....it is news to me .... but I have to see it documented somewhere to believe it, otherwise it is a red flag ...

Tylden Reed · 7 February 2010, 02:54 AM

Cap. letter B would make it 1951. W A B = Watch Accessories Birmingham, Birmingham is England's second largest city, in the Midlands. Tylden.

DRAWTOOL · 7 February 2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sakuraba

What would that make the B in WAB?

I would have said "Bracelet" but it appears that I would be wrong.

Tylden Reed · 7 February 2010, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

ok folks ... if people start telling me that rolex outsourced its bracelets to mexico or south america or whatever country other than switxerland, then I am gonna run the other way ... I thought ROLEX was 100% swiss made ...it is just a red flag for those of us who do not know the history too well ....
But in all the rolex books I have read, I never came across this outsourcing....it is news to me .... but I have to see it documented somewhere to believe it, otherwise it is a red flag ...

I'm sorry but it is true, I worked for them. You don't have to believe me, it won't hurt me. Tylden.

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

ok folks ... if people start telling me that rolex outsourced its bracelets to mexico or south america or whatever country other than switxerland, then I am gonna run the other way ... I thought ROLEX was 100% swiss made ...it is just a red flag for those of us who do not know the history too well ....
But in all the rolex books I have read, I never came across this outsourcing....it is news to me .... but I have to see it documented somewhere to believe it, otherwise it is a red flag ...

How about open up Dowling & Hess's book and go to page 309?

Enough document for you or shall I have Jeff Hess send you a sworn statement?

InVision · 7 February 2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tylden Reed

Cap. letter B would make it 1951. W A B = Watch Accessories Birmingham, Birmingham is England's second largest city, in the Midlands. Tylden.

Ok this has been fun ... thanks so much Tylden!!

Now has anyone seen any comparisons so I can determine if it is worth selling?

Mike

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 03:00 AM

Forgot to add the picture.

SUPERDOC · 7 February 2010, 03:02 AM

I am very far from being an expert...but applying a bit of inductive technique...I'd place this band in the 1940s...

I would surmise that it was probably a military band...

If you recall hans wilsdorf started his company in London...he also supplied Rolex watches to British military as a morale booster.

Because of importation taxes many rolexes were made out of switzerland to save on the tax...I have a rolex standard 9k manual wind from the 1930's that is exclusive to Canada...

I would think that you have something very special, and probably valuable...but of course that would depend on its true origin, and what that would be worth to someone else...

Either way...I think you owe it to your grandmother (and to us) to actually pursue this...take it to an antique/watch dealer with some knowledge and report back.

---I would be confident in saying that it is definitely not a fake.

-although the bit of turbulence on this thread does highlight the importance of being in touch with one's own ignorance...

Everything I've written above could be totally full of S___, but At least I'm aware of that fact....anyway that's my best educated guess...

mikefrmnj · 7 February 2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

How about open up Dowling & Hess's book and go to page 309?

Enough document for you or shall I have Jeff Hess send you a sworn statement?

LOL

you are killing me Leo.

Idle Swede · 7 February 2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mikefrmnj

LOL

you are killing me Leo.

Hey Buddy, how was Costa Rica?

mike · 7 February 2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubdate

ok folks ... if people start telling me that rolex outsourced its bracelets to mexico or south america or whatever country other than switxerland, then I am gonna run the other way ... I thought ROLEX was 100% swiss made ...it is just a red flag for those of us who do not know the history too well ....
But in all the rolex books I have read, I never came across this outsourcing....it is news to me .... but I have to see it documented somewhere to believe it, otherwise it is a red flag ...

Run fast. Not only were bracelets made in various countries, but there are several USA boxes.

In fact during the 60s Rolex made a 17 jewell 1520 movement for the USA watches to deal with higher import taxes at the time dealing with watches over 20 jewells.

7 February 2010, 02:35 AM	#37
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Alright kids, let's play nice... No need to get belligerent over a coronet.. And RolexSubDate - believe me, you don't need documentation. Some folks here are better than any book I've ever seen... Mike, Tools, and few others - their words can be taken to the bank, mate! __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

7 February 2010, 02:49 AM	#48
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,346	Rolex began in, and was a UK company for many years.. They finally moved their Hq to the Aegler movement manufacturing site in SA when the UK taxes became onerous.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

7 February 2010, 02:26 AM	#31
wcl884 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 353	Wow! This is one entertaining thread. Thanks Pete for the clarification :) 4 spaces breaking up into 5 lines!

7 February 2010, 02:31 AM	#35
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	yes, i see where I was wrong on the crown ... i appologize for that ... Now if you can find it documented that bracelets were made somewhere else othre than sitwzerland, then that would seal the case that I rushed to judgement ..... but it has to be documented ..... I had no ill intentions ... it is jst that somethings raised my eyebrows .... thank you ...

7 February 2010, 02:41 AM	#39
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	It looks to be 9k, and of Rolex construction. 5 points on the crown. Great find

7 February 2010, 02:44 AM	#44
Tylden Reed TechXpert Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tylden Reed Location: Kent UK Watch: GMTII and more Posts: 175	A nice piece. Hallmarked in Birmingham (anchor) 9ct. CYCo ? don't know the mark but will ask around. WAB is known to me. WAB (Watch Accessories Birmingham) was owned by Oscar Winter, a friend of Hans Wilsdorf, and owner of Rolex UK, the importers of ROLEX watches in the UK. Rolex Switzerland allowed ROLEX UK to have bracelets and gold non-Oyster watch cases made in the UK. The date letter will determin its age but I cannot read it from the photograph. Tylden.

7 February 2010, 02:50 AM	#49
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	Well I sketched out what I see for the marking. I wish a had a good macro camera. Thanks for all the help and havoc...

7 February 2010, 02:54 AM	#51
Tylden Reed TechXpert Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tylden Reed Location: Kent UK Watch: GMTII and more Posts: 175	Cap. letter B would make it 1951. W A B = Watch Accessories Birmingham, Birmingham is England's second largest city, in the Midlands. Tylden.

7 February 2010, 03:02 AM	#57
SUPERDOC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: R.J. Location: Canada Posts: 1,546	I am very far from being an expert...but applying a bit of inductive technique...I'd place this band in the 1940s... I would surmise that it was probably a military band... If you recall hans wilsdorf started his company in London...he also supplied Rolex watches to British military as a morale booster. Because of importation taxes many rolexes were made out of switzerland to save on the tax...I have a rolex standard 9k manual wind from the 1930's that is exclusive to Canada... I would think that you have something very special, and probably valuable...but of course that would depend on its true origin, and what that would be worth to someone else... Either way...I think you owe it to your grandmother (and to us) to actually pursue this...take it to an antique/watch dealer with some knowledge and report back. ---I would be confident in saying that it is definitely not a fake. -although the bit of turbulence on this thread does highlight the importance of being in touch with one's own ignorance... Everything I've written above could be totally full of S___, but At least I'm aware of that fact....anyway that's my best educated guess...

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