Vacheron Constantin Overseas Chronograph vs. Rolex Yachtmaster ii

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Go with what makes you happy. Nothing wrong with switching things up.

Personally, though, if the goal is one of the so-called "holy trinity", I would rather take an AP or PP over VC, since there's that something extra IMHO with haute horlogerie to be independent (VC is now owned by Richemont, same company that owns JLC, IWC, Panerai, Piaget, Cartier and Montblanc, among others).

I agree. Also Mike recently posted a pic of his YG YM2 that was stunning, I would save and get that one.

[VICI]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

I love both models and think the world of both makers, I think the YMII is cool as hell but a gold VCOS Chrono is my grail so I can't go with the YMII in this instance. .

I really like this piece.

But given the choice, I'd take an AP for price comparison.

[watchwatcher]

Well I'm going to go against the tide here...

You don't wear horology and there's nothing holy about any watch. Wear the one that sings to you or smiles at you or whatever it is you use to determine happiness with your watch.

(Bracing for flames now)

[One Ping Only]

Wear what you like, I love the OS:

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

Well I'm going to go against the tide here...

You don't wear horology

No flames but can you expand on this? Not sure I understand you because my gut reaction is of course you wear horlogy, the results anyway!!

[watchwatcher]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

No flames but can you expand on this? Not sure I understand you because my gut reaction is of course you wear horlogy, the results anyway!!

In one sense, you're right...I am wearing a time piece that is pretty well respected in certain horological circles. But that isn't why I'm wearing it. I wear it because I love how it fits, how it feels, and how it looks...heck it even tells pretty good time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is a watch's history and status in the horological community doesn't interest me as much as how it fits, feels, looks, stands up to abuse, and yes, even tells time.

My reply was a little tongue in cheek and flippant; I hope I haven't offended you or anyone else on the forum.

[Nobody.Move]

To me the VC is totally badass and elegant/classy at the same time, whereas the YM II is simultaneously fussy and garish. Just my opinion...

[jjnd08]

I've gotta go VC. My favorite chrono with a date. I love how they designed this watch.

[Vaxe]

OS over YMii all day

[time]

Originally Posted by vaxe

os over ymii all day

vc > r ymii

[anothernewphone]

In regards to the "holy trinity" talk -I don't particularly subscribe to one ranking brands- I base it all on a model-by-model basis. To say one watch is better than another watch because of history isn't fair when so many brands are just names that have been bought and sold. That's not to say that I'm saying VC isn't quality - just a generalization of brands in general.

That being said, I don't find anything particularly desirable about the Overseas line.

[vitalsignsrn]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

I love both models and think the world of both makers, I think the YMII is cool as hell but a gold VCOS Chrono is my grail so I can't go with the YMII in this instance. .

Love this! I would go for VC. I love the bracelet & the dial. I would have been very tempted had they made one with in a SS blue dial.

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by anothernewphone

In regards to the "holy trinity" talk -I don't particularly subscribe to one ranking brands- I base it all on a model-by-model basis. To say one watch is better than another watch because of history isn't fair when so many brands are just names that have been bought and sold. That's not to say that I'm saying VC isn't quality - just a generalization of brands in general.

Agreed. I could care less about the whole "holy trinity" thing. In fact, I think it's downright silly.

Having said that, I love VC and would pick an Overseas Chrono over a YMII any day of the week.

[Baco Noir]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Agreed. I could care less about the whole "holy trinity" thing. In fact, I think it's downright silly.



Having said that, I love VC and would pick an Overseas Chrono over a YMII any day of the week.

While maybe a silly nickname, it's no sillier than Bluesy, Brusier, Hulk, etc and once you own and experience the craftsmanship, you will understand.


Sent from my iPad (so I blame autocorrect for the spellin' errs)

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

While maybe a silly nickname, it's no sillier than Bluesy, Brusier, Hulk, etc and once you own and experience the craftsmanship, you will understand.


Sent from my iPad (so I blame autocorrect for the spellin' errs)

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that these watches are on a whole different level. My gripe is only with the name, not the watches themselves.

[jshepard]

Unless the YMII has some sentimental value to you, I'd sell it to acquire the VC.


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[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that these watches are on a whole different level. My gripe is only with the name, not the watches themselves.

Well in that case I agree the name sucks lol

[thomaspp]

YM2 all day. The YM is one of my all time favorite rolex.

[Muzz]

One counts up and one counts down. Isn't a reasonable comparison. As this is TRF the only correct answer is YM II all day long. VC is nice but this comparison makes zero sense.

[AF_Rob]

The Overseas is my favorite line in VC. It's a beauty.

[beaglehusky]

VC by a long shot. Here's my Overseas. Not the chrono but still one of my all time favorites.

[Nitedeuce]

I have a VC Overseas (date), and I love it. It is unique and interesting and VC has the history to go with the package as well. Nothing against the YM, but an opportunity to own a VC is special for people who are infatuated with fine watches.

[capote]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

Love this! I would go for VC. I love the bracelet & the dial. I would have been very tempted had they made one with in a SS blue dial.

You are in luck, it is available in SS with a blue dial

[cervantes]

I was very close to buying the VC Overseas Dual Time but didn't at the end. The CEO of VC said at SIHH that at next years SIHH they will release a new Overseas line with an in-house movement. I'm not sure if that bothers you or not. But for me, spending 16k or so for a watch with a movement ebauche out-of-house bothered me. Bot that the JLC movement they use is a bad one, but the fact that VC, one of the most respected maisons around still didn't have even an automatic movement in-house for their sports line soured me a bit to the whole company. They move slow over there. But if you're not bothered by this, the Overseas line is lovely and characterful.

[kilyung]

I prefer the YM2 for its size. If you were choosing between that and the VC Patrimony Small Seconds, then totally different answer.

[jjnd08]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

While maybe a silly nickname, it's no sillier than Bluesy, Brusier, Hulk, etc and once you own and experience the craftsmanship, you will understand.


Sent from my iPad (so I blame autocorrect for the spellin' errs)

Agreed. I handled AP and PP for the first time this week, and the finishings on these brands are amazing. Even though I'm not big on AP designs, they are a fantastic brand. The Patek Nautilus line was so fantastic, I'd take a SS one over a PM Rolex.

Originally Posted by cervantes

I was very close to buying the VC Overseas Dual Time but didn't at the end. The CEO of VC said at SIHH that at next years SIHH they will release a new Overseas line with an in-house movement. I'm not sure if that bothers you or not. But for me, spending 16k or so for a watch with a movement ebauche out-of-house bothered me. Bot that the JLC movement they use is a bad one, but the fact that VC, one of the most respected maisons around still didn't have even an automatic movement in-house for their sports line soured me a bit to the whole company. They move slow over there. But if you're not bothered by this, the Overseas line is lovely and characterful.

Learn something new here everyday.

[1st amg]

YMII for me, I am infatuated with its unique look and no mistaking that it is a Rolex.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

Love this! I would go for VC. I love the bracelet & the dial. I would have been very tempted had they made one with in a SS blue dial.

It is!!

Originally Posted by capote

You are in luck, it is available in SS with a blue dial

Yup!

[AndyK]

Easy for me - in any "YMII vs. XXX" thread I always choose XXX, and in any "VC Overseas vs. XXX" thread I pick VC!

[breitlings]

I'm going to come out and say it. I don't think this is fair for the VC. I get they have some implied pedigree. But you are basically taking a watch that is pretty historic in terms of its movement and function and comparing it to something with an off the shelf movement that has been uprated, maybe, and has been seen a million times over. Breitling has so many amazing chronographs that are finished incredibly well, that this VC doesn't impress me. I've owned AP they aren't holy, they are just a watch that is finished well. I bought a RO at 17 with my own cash, believe me if it was awesome I would be shouting AP from the rooftops, vs saying eh and discounting a large investment.

IMO the YMII is horology, its cutting edge, its almost ground breaking in terms of the bezel/movement and people are discounting it as a normal watch because its a Rolex. Historically YMII is an important watch in terms of what it introduces.

Then lifting up this basically normal VC watch, with normal movement with a big date, and maybe a bit above average finishing and saying its horology because if its name. No offense if this is your watch, I just don't think you should blast the rolex for not having enough pedigree when this particular rolex is historic in terms of watchmaking.