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When I got my “matt dial Pepsi GMT 16750 with all the goodies” from Nick (Greekbum), having the paperwork was of major importance to me.
Then I came across a really nice 1675 matte dial GMT without the paper work. Somehow, the paperwork did not matter and the watch did. It had been serviced by Dalton and was authentic. ![]()
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Since our movements are Rolex modified Valjoux movements I suppose Valjoux (non Rolex) parts can be used as replacement; these should be plentiful since these parts were used by other watch manufacturers. My PN goes for regular service maintenance to prevent wear and tear on parts. ![]() |
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1971? You're old :-)
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The idea of having papers is nice and can add some value but for the majority of serious collectors, I would say condition and originality of the watch come first and papers/complete set second...definitely an added bonus but it would be silly to consider that a deal breaker if the watch measures up to your standards and is original. Sure there are collectors that only consider complete sets but those are in the minority. And keep in mind that vintage papers can be faked and have been for years. There are tons of fake blank Rolex certificates floating out there.
Whether one should prefer a vintage watch that hasn't been serviced vs. a watch that has been serviced regularly over the years totally depends on the watch. But an un-serviced vintage watch shouldn't scare any serious collector away and if anything would be a bit sought after I would think. If you take a 1680 that has been serviced several times over it's life, the likelihood of it receiving replacement dial/hands/insert is more likely than if it were un-serviced. The crystal/crown have more to do with water resistance so it's more common for those to be changed over the years. Further, the case may show some natural wear with an un-serviced watch but at least the lines will be true and not polished down over the years. As far as being concerned about a big service bill? If the watch is all original paying an extra few hundred dollars for some new gears or jewels shouldn't matter too much...depends on the watch of course. |
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This topic is exactly what I'm contemplating......found a great 1675 that checks all the boxes for me but it comes with boxes and papers. This is going to be a daily wear (so no safe queen collection piece) so I'm trying to justify if it's worth the extra 2.5-3k just for papers when I don't really have a strong need for it for my personal collecting issues.
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The obvious question is why pay that 2.5k to 3k for the papers if they are not a must have for you. Why not shop around and try and find a cheaper example without the papers. |
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Hey Ken,
Yes it is and thanks for the welcome :) You know, you're exactly right but it's hard having patience! I've only begun to look for the right GMT for about 2-3 months, but I'm sure a couple of us around here can agree when you want a watch and have your eyes set on one you want it as soon as possible. |
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Thank you for the great advice Ken, I will definitely do that my friend.
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Papers can also be faked, especially the older ones.
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Paper is an nice addition but not a deal breaker for me if the watch itself is in great shape.
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![]() As per my question about instant experts, it was a simple question, but if you felt it applied to you then you must have felt there was some truth to it. If the shoe fits wear it. ![]()
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This is getting childish.
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You took the high ground where I didn't. BUT, I know what you really wanted to do....
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Sorry, you have completely lost me, no idea what you are going on about.
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It's all just personal preference, nothing more and nothing less........I just like having full sets, they are harder to find, take more searching down and require the building of relationships and contacts to source. I don't just want to acquire lots of watches, I want something that has history and an identifiable past as well as being as perfect a specimen as I can find.
It would be much easier just to buy the first nice piece that came along....much easier.....but for me the search and eventual success is what I'm interested in. I am not too worried about the service history although I clearly prefer less meddling by Rolex since they will replace parts and therefore the likelihood of the watch being altered is much greater with every service. A prime example is the Red Sub...... Anyone who took a Red Sub in for a service after 1974/5 with a dial issue would, more than likely, be offered the "new" white sub dial.....crowns would be replaced, cases polished, hands replaced etc etc. So as QC has stated, the less times the watch has been in for a service, the less likelihood there is of replacement parts being used. Simple laws of supply and demand mean it costs more to acquire these pieces (often referred to as safe queens) because there are far less of them out there. But, as others have mentioned, the watch has to take priority and, because of this, the requirement to find a full set with a perfect watch makes it even more difficult to acquire such pieces. And so the hunt goes on...... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I have three Rolex, two have their original papers and one doesn't. To be honest the original papers are an irrelevance to me. They are dead easy to forge and the most important document is a recent receipt of service from Rolex or an AD that can be readily verified. Regards Mick |
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Mark020= wow, a great collection.. the DJ and the Omega speedy..are on the hit list.. gotta start somewhere...:-)
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Our Heritage service can issue an archive extract with the original technical details pertaining to your timepiece, at your request and based on the details you supply to us. This extract from the archives can only be provided for watches or clocks that are more than twenty years old (Jaeger LeCoultre). Omega; ORDER AN EXTRACT, Omega has created a special online service for watch enthusiasts who would like to know more about the production history of their OMEGA timepiece made before 2000. There is a fee, a certificate will be made (this could have changed, due to high demand). My hope is that Rolex will offer such a service, to help keep the Rolex "DNA" legitimate and help Rolex Enthusiasts with their estates and heirs. Warm regards, HHI (16233, 16234, 114270) Many others (JLC Q3908420), Omega Seamaster cal.563, Nomos, many others |
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