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![]() This one looks pretty messed up....And I really liked the bronze approach! This definitely looks like it had more than a salt water attack though. Not sure I'd dive with it based on what I'm seeing here. Then again, I don't think desk diving would cause this...And I'm an AVID desk diver.
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As always Megan posts the good stuff! I think you're spot-on, but the one that looks like it has been dipped in acid must be the result of some forced patina or sitting in salt water for an extended period. Mine still looks pretty much like new, but I've noticed a couple of dark spots on the case, probably just a reaction to skin oil. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever washed mine or even got it wet.
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BIG Tudor Black Bay Bronze problem
It appears the insert is acting as an anode in conjunction with the bronze - much like zinc is used on metal boat hulls. If Tudor fitted the bezels with a non-reactive insert then this would not occur.
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That's pretty startling. If what we're seeing is truly the effect of galvanic corrosion from seawater then it makes one wonder what R&D Tudor conducted considering it's a 200m dive watch.
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Heard of/seen this a few times, on this site and other places. Tudor has an issue here. Wonder if they will respond like Rolex did with the cyclops magnification issue??
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Didn't we see this happening to some first gen BBs? Remember seeing a post three or so years ago. Red bezel... suspected salt.
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I remember seeing this from a member here a while ago, and it's a little concerning that it's become such a problem. I suspect the only reason it isn't more wide spread is not many owners even get their dive watches wet these days, let alone get in the sea with them.
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The problem comes from not cleaning the watch. Old expat asked why gold and ss inserts dont have this happen. Because people dont leave salt on it for months or years.
Easy fix is again change insert to bronze. Requires no redesign. Otherwise a spacer is needed. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
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Can someone explain why this does not occur on a Rolex Subamriner with an aluminum bezel insert and stainless steel oyster case?
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Kudos to meganfox17, I also think this is the underlying root cause.
I do not use my Bronze as a daily beater, but have it on each time I visit the beach and go diving. I am not really careful, so I do not rinse it after salt contact. So far: no issues. Maybe there was a bad lot of inlays used in the affected watches, otherwise I see the risk that ALL BBB could end up like this (sooner or later). |
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Imo the best solution giving the watch and update
Stop making this bezel And make the same watch with a plain solid bronze bezel without inlay Like the heritage black bay date
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A "near fashion brand", are you serious! I've read some stupid things posted on TRF, but you've just cracked the top ten brother! Cheers to that!
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Yeah. They made a bronze watch that eats itself. Why? Because bronze is in fashion (or was). Sorry if I insulted your hardcore tool diver. Feel free to ignore my future posts, as I'll be sure to do to you.
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like i said before, tudor needs to make the bezel insert bronze to fix the issue. ![]()
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ever seen the panerai 382?
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Also, the issue that was brought up earlier about the first gen BB's was regarding the crown tube collar corroding and was with the stainless Black Bay. The aluminum is the common denominator. As I said earlier, they should have used ceramic instead. |
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Don't even get me started on panerai, but at least they were early in on the fad - Tudor got in late and still didn't bother to do it in a functional way.
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Depending on the alloy...bronze has about 80% copper in there mixed w/tin 20%..
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Tudor uses an aluminum bronze alloy. Not sure how much copper content there is though. Regardless, it's not that the mid case is rusting...the aluminum insert is pitting from the corrosion. |
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It is the same reason you attach Zinc Anodes to the underside of a boat that is used or moored in a saltwater environment...because of Galvanic Corrosion, the saltwater will eat away the Zinc instead of your pricey bronze propeller(s).........In this case, instead of the Zinc being slowly eaten away, it the bezel which is acting as the sacrificial lamb.
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C'mon guys...this was obviously intentional. Tudor wanted to go the extra mile in giving it that very worn-in, patinaed look.
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It's the other way around I believe. Bronze is more active than SS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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In regards to metal...
You have what appears to be an aluminum insert in very close contact to bronze metal. All it takes is one scratch on the insert to allow for the spot corrosion seen. Bronzes are more cathodic where aluminum is more anodic. The more anodic metal will break down before the more cathodic metal... This would happen on a SST watch also...I have seen pics of the red BB with corroded aluminum bits. Using dissembler metals on such an expensive watch seems like there is a break down in QC because a company like Rolex knows that the integrity of the anodizing needs to be 100% intact on the aluminum parts in order to mitigate corrosion. But to be fair it only take one tiny little scratch to really screw things up...they need to get rid of aluminum from their assemblies... |
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