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20 January 2021, 05:38 AM | #31 |
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The 3235 Movement and The Fix (3 years out)
You have a timegrapher and can do such tests? Somebody who wears his watch permanently (day and night) will constantly "wind" it, hence a drop in amplitude will be observed much later. In addition the rate (s/d) will remain rather good, either a few seconds + or - per day. So you are "blind" for the issue, at least at the beginning. Rates strongly deviate as soon as amplitudes are around 200 degrees or below. Key is measuring the movement amplitudes and not accuracy alone. Amplitudes decrease rapid if there is enhanced friction somewhere or if inappropriate materials have been used. This could be correlated with the increased autonomy of 70 hours, so the designers had to reduce friction. Doing so, not only lubrication but also the right choice of materials is utmost important! |
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I fully share what you wrote in another thread: —— 1)The lack of lubrication issue,was a temporary solution. 2)The second pinion hand wearing out ,making contact where it shouldn't . 3)A change of design is needed, —— This fits with what I write here: increased 70 hours power reserve -> less friction required -> in case of an inappropriate design (materials?) this results in the opposite -> enhanced friction and wear -> fast drop of amplitudes to < 200 degrees -> increased rates -> caliber out of COSC. |
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I do notice that if I wear it to bed (I do this about 50/50) that it seems to run about a second less slow. So instead of -6 or -5, it might be more like -5 or -4.
Mine has low amplitude before I sent it in first time. Can't remember the exact numbers. Low amplitude face up. |
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Try to fully wind it once or even twice every day, for 1-2 weeks. Probably the amplitudes don't drop fast, then you could see a positive effect on the rates of your watch. That's only a short test! If you can, measure amplitudes and rates systematically, then you see how the movement changes with time. |
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Right out of the gate my new datejust is running -4 seconds a day. When the lockdown here in Ontario is lifted it goes into the shop for correction. Hopefully they can correct it first time around.
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There should be no difference between fast or slow as long as it displays precision. Other than that the rate is a matter of preference as to how it's adjusted and eventually performs on the wrist. |
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Good for you. My DJ41 acted up at -30 seconds per day in month 11 and even had a stuck date wheel. I was told here it was "not a problem". I also sold it to a dealer. Screw that BS.
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By the time I had my SD43 for 6 months, it was -20sec/day and getting worse. I have not had anywhere near that with any other Rolex I have owned.
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There’s plenty of discussion on this issue at https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=728169
Perhaps the moderator can merge the threads. ~ Sheldon
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Same recurring problem ,fine time keeping,then significantly slower. This clearly shows that if Rolex did have a design change to the 3235 to offer,RSC would definitely have implemented it . At this stage its not costing owners service money,movements still covered under 5 year warrantee,but this is going to change soon ...... |
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...and that is precisely why I needed to let it go. It was like a ticking service expenditure time bomb. If it was just a lubrication issue, I believe it would have been addressed by either of the first two trips to RSC. I can only conclude that Rolex SA has not found a “fix” yet. More importantly, any “experimental”solutions may only prolong the time line to an undetermined length. Just as an example, I purchased a day-date several years back that had not been serviced since sold new in 1978. It was exhibiting -0.5 seconds/ day average with barely any variance among positions. Now that is an impressive movement (ref. 3055). Most of my previous 31xx were just as reliable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I have to chime in and also report my old Bluesy was on a winder or on my wrist non stop for over 15 years keeping the same +4 seconds a day the entire time. The movement ran continuously for 15 years without any sign of change. I sent it in for its first routine service at the 15 year mark even though it was still keeping a +4 second a day. It required no additional parts than the routine service. Some say I was really pushing my luck but my watchmaker said the movement looked great inside when he opened it up. This was well documented on the forum and my own empirical data. Rolex makes a hell of a movement.
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My 2010 16570 with 3186 keeps perfect time and has never been opened. These seem to be big shoes for the 32xx movements to fill.
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Bought a DJ41 from an AD a little over a year ago. Accuracy was great (+1sec every 2-3 days or more). After a few months it went whacko and started losing 30-40 seconds per day. My AD has an ASC and they adjusted it back to the previous accuracy. It's been fine since...
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Now that you mentioned this, I may have an issue with my DJ41. I wear it as a daily and usually if I put it down I don't pick it up before the power reserve completely ran out. So it always runs really well. Recently I have had a situation where I put it down for 2 days, then wore it and it was a few(6-7) minutes off. I figured I might have picked up a watch and forgot to check whether it was running or whatever, then I wore it for a week without taking it off and it was running great. Now I am thinking it might be the issue presenting since it is hard to notice while it is running well while it is being worn daily. I don't have a timegrapher, but I will try setting the time on it now, putting it away for 2 days and then winding it, wearing it for the day, and putting it away for 2 more day and putting it away. Let's see how this goes. Maybe my DJ does have the issue.
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But it seems as though you're looking for a problem. I urge you to simply keep the watch fully wound and wear it whilst checking the timekeeping. Do this after allowing it to run down and completely stop |
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If you have no timegrapher but are anyhow interested technically, you could get the "Watch Tuner Timegrapher App". A bit tricky to use, but it works to get an idea about rates, amplitudes, and beat errors. You can see that "the audience" is split here |
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