Op41 at 15k

[cwilson13]

I guess I see things a little differently.

If you like the watch but can’t get one from your AD, then the retail price is a bit irrelevant.

In the case of the Tiff, you either believe it’s a $15k watch based on current going rate (or not) compared with other options you might buy in that price range.

I can’t source a yellow gold/green Daytona from my AD.

So, it doesn’t matter what I might pay at retail. That piece will cost me $65k from a gray dealer.

Do I think it’s a $65k piece compared to other options I might want in that price range?

It doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks but me. If I want it, that’s what I have to pay. David runs a business. He isn’t likely to sell it to me for $40k if someone else will pay $65k.

I did get a tiff from my AD and in my option, it’s a really cool piece from Rolex.

But everyone has to decide for themselves what it’s worth to them. $50 bucks, $5900, $15000, $50,000. It has nothing to do with David or other grays.




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[LndLord]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

Well people keep letting him run up the prices.... greys are no friend to the hobby anymore

I don’t think greys were ever friends?
Or were they?

[Madman37]

The one thing is this is referred to as the Tiffany dial yet there are no Tiffany markings or anything on the watch. The Tiffany colour is also a trademark blue and a shade darker so if this was the Tiffany dial would it not have some sort of mark on it to show that Rolex were allowed to use the trademark blue.

As for the price if I put a the name Rolex on a stainless steel dustbin and painted the lid “Tiffany Blue” people on instagram would buy it. I would call it the “tiffin bin”

[sensui]

Everything is insane until it sells.....look @ past posts on the forum regarding pricing in the last 5 years.

I'm not trying to defend grey sellers but they are a necessary part of the market IMO....to think they are picking these up @ MSRP and making a killing every time is a gross misconception....everyone knows the market on modern Rolex since it's posted on every other grey site possible. No one will walk into these sellers to sell them the watch anywhere near MSRP. On the other hand, I'm sure they would buy every one they can find as long as they can make a small margin (imagine making $1k on every one of these watches but you sell 20-30 of them quickly).

Just remember, they were all our best friends when discounts were a plenty. Be realistic to the current market and state of affairs.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Madman37

The one thing is this is referred to as the Tiffany dial yet there are no Tiffany markings or anything on the watch. The Tiffany colour is also a trademark blue and a shade darker so if this was the Tiffany dial would it not have some sort of mark on it to show that Rolex were allowed to use the trademark blue.

As for the price if I put a the name Rolex on a stainless steel dustbin and painted the lid “Tiffany Blue” people on instagram would buy it. I would call it the “tiffin bin”

“Tiffany” is simply the informal nickname for the color. Everyone knows the official name of the color is turquoise blue and this watch has nothing to do with Tiffany & Co. But, it was clever for Rolex to make a dial color similar to Tiffany blue.

[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by vh2k

“Tiffany” is simply the informal nickname for the color. Everyone knows the official name of the color is turquoise blue and this watch has nothing to do with Tiffany & Co. But, it was clever for Rolex to make a dial color similar to Tiffany blue.

Nickname? Interesting. Kinda cool. Why don't we make up some nicknames for other watches too.

Could be fun.

[nr1416]

Originally Posted by EndlessEight

The OP inventory is more scarce than Daytonas it seems.

Rolex just didn’t make enough of those references due to the pandemic.

I don't know if it's more, but ADs aren't getting them like they usually get them.

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[DCheeta]

Maybe now people will stop calling the OP an “entry level” Rolex.

[Fleetlord]

The more $$ these sell for, the higher the price greys need to pay to obtain them. So gouging isn’t accurate at all.

[Anestheticsaregood]

I am in LA visiting family. I was driving through Beverly Hills, West Hollywood etc. the amount of wealth out there is crazy. Simply some people DO NOT CARE if they need to drop 15k for something. They don’t have time for some clown to tell them it’s an allocation piece etc. they’ll just wire over the money and get it the next day. Throw it on and hop into their 180k taycan turbo S to go pick up to go food.

[HVACPRO]

If you want a Tiffany dial without the Tiffany price , buy another color and send it to RSC for a dial swap. Problem solved.

[kizerman]

Originally Posted by shirtguy

Dsw has the Tiffany at 15k and a yellow at 13k

Seems like the markup is greater than the Daytona

And people trip over themselves to say what a great guy David is. Do great men gouge people like this?

[kizerman]

And I can hear the "free market" posts being typed now.. Save it. He can sell for whatever and, yeah, someone will pay it but it does not a good person make. These greys are shallow people.

[jefe1999]

A perfect example of supply and demand, with supply being inelastic.

[kizerman]

My guess is all grey dealers also hoarded toilet paper and hand sanitizer in spring 2020.

[Milibrk@]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Have Yellow and waiting on Turquoise ..

I can fully understand the mark up ...they are pretty cool !!

Same here. Got the yellow but waiting on the green.

[Crazy Lugs]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

He’s overpriced and a price gouge

He’s not exactly subtle with his winnings, either...

[cvera]

So expensive, but so are the majority of popular resale rolexes

[jamestucker]

A seller can ask what ever they want. I know a grey dealer is asking £150000 for a 5980/1R and the watch has been with him for 18 months now

[Jack T]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

Well people keep letting him run up the prices.... greys are no friend to the hobby anymore

And yet this website is a friend of the grey’s, providing them a place of prominence in the Classifieds.

[RollinMoses]

At least you guys have a chance of getting it at real retail price.

In Russia there is only one AD (also exclusive for Patek and multiple other brands). They use their monopoly to charge almost grey prices for any hot pieces.

Normally they hide the prices of those hot pieces publicly (website shows prices for less in demand items at close to international retail prices and the hot items are shown as PoA), but seems like they slipped up with some of the OPs and published their pricing online. RUB795k is about USD10.7k.

[melhk]

Originally Posted by YGRLX

Well people keep letting him run up the prices.... greys are no friend to the hobby anymore

I didn't know greys were friends to the hobby. They are running a business, if they can sell at this price, they do it like any other business.

While I find these prices laughable, I am not blaming DavidSW for it.

[Michael N Q8]

I don't have a lot of knowledge on Tiffany dials, but isn't such a dial supposed to have the word "Tiffany" written on it? This is just the tiffany colour and people are paying a massive premium for that? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

[TheGuvna]

Originally Posted by kizerman

My guess is all grey dealers also hoarded toilet paper and hand sanitizer in spring 2020.

"Business people making a profit based on supply and demand are evil"

Who hurt you?!

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by zion_rasta

That’s the market price. Davidsw or not. With David you are also buying trust. Essentially a zero risk transaction

Zero risk in terms of getting the watch as advertised (a good thing). But you gotta be crazy to pay those prices; lots of monetary risk if that matters to you. .

[AD337]

Shoot go look on eBay - they’re at 19-20 grand - a few of them !

Makes me super glad that I got mine for 5,900 lol!!

[640ibimmerguy]

Originally Posted by escobar144

wow, so your saying there are people that would rather by a second hand op41 vs a brand new DJ41 with a fluted bezel?

I know, I just bought an OP41 blue dial my nephew, wondering if I should sell it and get a Datejust....Never though about it till now.

[Rags]

That is totally insane & anyone who would pay that to David or any grey dealer should have his/her head examined.

[hambone1983]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

The more $$ these sell for, the higher the price greys need to pay to obtain them. So gouging isn’t accurate at all.

not only that, but "price gouging" is a legal term that refers to the illegal profiteering in times of emergency/disaster. It is generally limited to consumables sold within 30 days of the declaration of a state of disaster, and exempts products whose replacement cost justifies the price increase.

This situation meets none of the criteria for price gouging.

[DoctorsOrders]

$15k for an OP?? That's borderline insanity!!!