Titanium YM tapered bezels….. copy AP

[bluestreak]

Should probably have included pictures…

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Should probably have included pictures…

Thank you!!!!


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[EndlessEight]

Where are these titanium YMs?????

I see 0 incomings

[GB-man]

I can’t take it anymore. I hope to god OP is trolling. Rolex has been implementing chamfered lugs long before the royal oak. Doesn’t matter if the case flank is polished ffs.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I can’t take it anymore. I hope to god OP is trolling. Rolex has been implementing chamfered lugs long before the royal oak. Doesn’t matter if the case flank is polished ffs.

Seriously. It’s not the same. Turn the case. Do you see the sharp angle on both sides? I don’t know so I am asking.


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[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

No I like it on the new ti YM. It is the sharpness of it is very similar to the AP. I love it on the AP.

I’m questioning whether the new Ti YM should have had the same finishing as a sub.


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I don’t even know what that means……. What does it matter whether the finish is the same, as on a Sub? You either like a particular finish, or not.

Kat


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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I don’t even know what that means……. What does it matter whether the finish is the same, as on a Sub? You either like a particular finish, or not.

Kat


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The bevel on the lugs in the ti YM is high polish. Very wide and the edges are very sharp. It goes from top lug satin. Then to the high polish bevel. Then to the case side in satin. All transitions is a very sharp angle.

The 5 digit subs have a very small not so sharp bevel. Top of lugs satin. To very thin high polish bevel that continues down the side case.

The new subs do not have the bevel transition. It goes from satin lugs and transitions to the high polish sides.

My original comment was that Rolex took the design element of the high polish sharp bevel on an AP royal oak lug and applied it to the ti YM. And that it might be too much a change imo. I looked at the deep sea and while it does have a slight bevel it is comparable to the 5 digit subs. Not the AP.

This is a discussion on design. I am not why you are all so antagonistic towards me. I am a Rolex collector since 2001 and had 15 pieces over the years. And an AP collector since 2023. Have 2 new AP pieces this year.

If you read and watch reviews on the ti YM they for the most part mention the sharp high polish bevel on the lugs. It is a new element. Or at the very least an evolved element from Rolex design.

Or do you only allow posts of “can I wear my sub in the water” threads in here and not actual discussions in the design and nuance of Rolex watches?


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[drrd]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

The bevel on the lugs in the ti YM is high polish. Very wide and the edges are very sharp. It goes from top lug satin. Then to the high polish bevel. Then to the case side in satin. All transitions is a very sharp angle.

The 5 digit subs have a very small not so sharp bevel. Top of lugs satin. To very thin high polish bevel that continues down the side case.

The new subs do not have the bevel transition. It goes from satin lugs and transitions to the high polish sides.

My original comment was that Rolex took the design element of the high polish sharp bevel on an AP royal oak lug and applied it to the ti YM. And that it might be too much a change imo. I looked at the deep sea and while it does have a slight bezel it is comparable to the 5 digit subs. Not the AP.

This is a discussion on design. I am not why you are all so antagonistic towards me. I am a Rolex collector since 2001 and had 15 pieces over the years. And an AP collector since 2023. Have 2 new AP pieces this year.

If you read and watch reviews on the ti YM they for the most part mention the sharp high polish bezel on the lugs. It is a new element. Or at the very least an evolved element from Rolex design.

Or do you only allow posts of “can I wear my sub in the water” threads in here and not actual discussions in the design and nuance of Rolex watches?


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Just to reassure you, I thought it was very clear from your original post what aspects of the finish on the Ti YM you felt borrowed from AP. It’s clear they are similar and yes this is not normal case and bracelet finishing for Rolex.

Regarding whether you pass on this one or not remains to be seen; at the moment Ti YM is one of the rarest pieces in the catalogue and it doesn’t seem like Rolex is in any hurry to change that.

[kieselguhr]

Circled in red is chamfering on the lugs. Rolex (and others) have utilized this design language forever. It was omitted on modern iterations but seems to have made a comeback. Likely due to the popularity of the feature on current Tudor models.



Circled in blue is the case flank. On this new yacht-master, finished in Satin. New to this model line but not new to Rolex. Vintage inspired Tudors feature brushed case flanks such as the Ranger, and Black Bay in precious metal. Maybe a stroll through the vintage sub section will garner more Rolex specific examples.

Circled in green are the lug ends. Likewise, the flat lug ends are a feature that can be found on other Rolex including the Daytona.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by drrd

Just to reassure you, I thought it was very clear from your original post what aspects of the finish on the Ti YM you felt borrowed from AP. It’s clear they are similar and yes this is not normal case and bracelet finishing for Rolex.

Regarding whether you pass on this one or not remains to be seen; at the moment Ti YM is one of the rarest pieces in the catalogue and it doesn’t seem like Rolex is in any hurry to change that.

Well if offered I would surely get it. lol. Also I thought it was obvious what I was talking about. Thank you for understanding my intent. Even if I said Bezel. Instead of bevel or chamfering


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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Circled in red is chamfering on the lugs. Rolex (and others) have utilized this design language forever. It was omitted on modern iterations but seems to have made a comeback. Likely due to the popularity of the feature on current Tudor models.



Circled in blue is the case flank. On this new yacht-master, finished in Satin. New to this model line but not new to Rolex. Vintage inspired Tudors feature brushed case flanks such as the Ranger, and Black Bay in precious metal. Maybe a stroll through the vintage sub section will garner more Rolex specific examples.

Circled in green are the lug ends. Likewise, the flat lug ends are a feature that can be found on other Rolex including the Daytona.

Yes my opinion is regarding chamfering of the circles in red. I disagree this is echoed in previous models of Rolex. Which is why I made this thread. The 5 digit models with a chamfering as you named it was very narrow. And not nearly as sharp. And the effect is also lessened by the lack of a secondary satin edge of the case side. The new ti YM has a very pronounced sharp edge punctuated by the satin finish on both sides of the chamfering as well as the width of this bevel is substantially bigger. The aesthetic seems very new to me for Rolex. And yes I have had 5 digit subs. This is not the same visually for the reasons I mentioned. Also I did not include tutor in my discussion because a tutor is not a Rolex as much as many would like it to be.

The bottom flat lug end circled green is a Rolex design that is not on an AP so I do not mention that. Especially as the Rolex has a curved case coming into a squared off bottom lug. An AP is all angles. Nothing rounded.


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[omar-rye]

So, are you suggesting that Rolex copied AP because both sides are brushed, in addition to the polished chamfers/bevel

[turfmanjon]

I like what they did on the new YM. It adds a little shine to an otherwise stoic/brushed watch.


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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

So, are you suggesting that Rolex copied AP because both sides are brushed, in addition to the polished chamfers/bevel

Yes. They widened the bevel and used similar polish method. The sharpness and styling of that chamfering. I would not say copied. But used the same detailing. Appropriated.

Other Rolex models do not look like that at all to me. It’s a new aesthetic for Rolex.


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[hojlund]

do you also like the design language of grand seiko? the cases have chamfers as well, and those Zaratsu polishing.

[RTG]

Good, one less competitor for my future YM42 Ti. The less who want one the better. Enjoy your future AP.

[RTG]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Yes. They widened the bevel and used similar polish method. The sharpness and styling of that chamfering. I would not say copied. But used the same detailing. Appropriated.

Other Rolex models do not look like that at all to me. It’s a new aesthetic for Rolex.


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Deepsea Challenge has beveled lugs. Beveled lugs are not new and in no way, shape or form an AP exclusive. The notion that Rolex has copied AP is ridiculous in my never humble opinion

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by RTG

Good, one less competitor for my future YM42 Ti. The less who want one the better. Enjoy your future AP.

Pretty sure I want one. I am questioning the purity of the design.

This might be the ultimate Rolex sports model imo.


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[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by hojlund

do you also like the design language of grand seiko? the cases have chamfers as well, and those Zaratsu polishing.

I am not familiar with grand seiko. I know VC has chamfered as well with the same type of polish as AP.


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