Why so unloved - Offshore Tourbillons 26288/26388

[conkers]

Originally Posted by messikens

I agree it's a bit of a steal for a PM ROO with a complication but it wouldn't be anyone's first second or third AP choice; it's for someone who already has a large portfolio of a collection.

The 44mm size and thickness makes it a bit niche and you couldn't really pull it off as a dress watch. Personally I'd add that I find the dial a bit too busy and hard to read, while the tourb is covered unfortunately by the bridge to a good extent.

You get a lot of watch for the money but unless you're conkers, $100k gets you a lot of other watches that are probably higher on the immediate "want" list... That's my take why you get such a deal

All very fair points!

[Jp28]

Well I guess this really is a question for me given a 7.25in wrist and I own both the RG and Pt 44 ‘standard’ ROO (with the RG being my favorite watch I own) !!
So I have agree the tourb version are relatively good value and I have looked at them a lot over the past 2-3 years given their relatively good pricing. I have not jumped for one as;
1) even if I sell both ROO I have to fund a tourb I would still need to put even more €€ on top of the two. Only so much €€ I can afford to put in :)
2) I like having the two metals so going to one would be a hard call
3) while I know manual wind is seen as more ‘purist’ I still like auto. Overall prefer open worked for AP complication
4) If I need/have to I could get out of one of my existing ROO relatively unscathed but I think the tourb would be really painful (note my RG ROO is a long term keeper, even still prefer it to 43, at least for now)

[J.T.]

Originally Posted by conkers

Indeed. Here’s mine - 10 piece edition. There was a platinum bezel version too but I went with ceramic for practicality reasons.

Love it! I have the White Gold Japan version with Ceramic bezel. Probably my favorite offshore, and limited to 50. A friend also has one of the 50 that he recently purchased.

[conkers]

Originally Posted by Jp28

Well I guess this really is a question for me given a 7.25in wrist and I own both the RG and Pt 44 ‘standard’ ROO (with the RG being my favorite watch I own) !!
So I have agree the tourb version are relatively good value and I have looked at them a lot over the past 2-3 years given their relatively good pricing. I have not jumped for one as;
1) even if I sell both ROO I have to fund a tourb I would still need to put even more €€ on top of the two. Only so much €€ I can afford to put in :)
2) I like having the two metals so going to one would be a hard call
3) while I know manual wind is seen as more ‘purist’ I still like auto. Overall prefer open worked for AP complication
4) If I need/have to I could get out of one of my existing ROO relatively unscathed but I think the tourb would be really painful (note my RG ROO is a long term keeper, even still prefer it to 43, at least for now)

A difficult dilemma but no bad answers there - all great pieces!

[conkers]

Originally Posted by J.T.

Love it! I have the White Gold Japan version with Ceramic bezel. Probably my favorite offshore, and limited to 50. A friend also has one of the 50 that he recently purchased.

Super cool piece congrats!

[APhound]

I think they’re probably really cool. Like most APs you have to see them in person to appreciate. My favorite watch I’ve ever tried on is the 43 flying tourbillon. I bet if I saw you wearing yours I’d freak out!



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[nazarian]

Originally Posted by APhound

I think they’re probably really cool. Like most APs you have to see them in person to appreciate. My favorite watch I’ve ever tried on is the 43 flying tourbillon. I bet if I saw you wearing yours I’d freak out!



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This one def has the wow factor the other one was lacking imo

[conkers]

Originally Posted by APhound

I think they’re probably really cool. Like most APs you have to see them in person to appreciate. My favorite watch I’ve ever tried on is the 43 flying tourbillon. I bet if I saw you wearing yours I’d freak out!



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For sure an amazing piece but that is 300k vs 100k. Different ball game.

[impactplayer]

Originally Posted by J.T.

Love it! I have the White Gold Japan version with Ceramic bezel. Probably my favorite offshore, and limited to 50. A friend also has one of the 50 that he recently purchased.

Wow, haven't seen this variant before. It's incredible!

[Armis]

Originally Posted by conkers

Indeed. Here’s mine - 10 piece edition. There was a platinum bezel version too but I went with ceramic for practicality reasons.

THIS is an excellent specimen, Roger. I don’t know why Japan/Asia gets all the better releases, but this is a platinum ROO I can appreciate!

[conkers]

Originally Posted by Armis

THIS is an excellent specimen, Roger. I don’t know why Japan/Asia gets all the better releases, but this is a platinum ROO I can appreciate!

I don’t know the actual numbers but my sense is that Yoshida has more ultra VIP AP collectors than most other markets combined. Hence the vast array of limited series.

[gretch6364]

Unfortunately, only got to try it on, but man, what a watch! The detail and bridges are amazing and zero chance a picture can do it justice. I think this might be my favorite watch I have ever tried on. The Ti QP is right there as well.

[APhound]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

Unfortunately, only got to try it on, but man, what a watch! The detail and bridges are amazing and zero chance a picture can do it justice. I think this might be my favorite watch I have ever tried on. The Ti QP is right there as well.

I could pretty much clean house for that thing. What else would I need?


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[gretch6364]

Originally Posted by APhound

I could pretty much clean house for that thing. What else would I need?


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Nothing I can think of

I have been blessed with a wrist, that IMHO can pull off the size. I would wear it with shorts, jeans, a suit or a tux!

And, if while wearing that tux in say Monaco, you end up in a pool or the ocean.....100M WR

The rose gold bridges were just.....amazing. I would be stoked to see how something like this would look with sand gold.

[dauster]

Originally Posted by conkers

So I own both of these (with the rose gold model having the ceramic bezel upgrade). I love them but genuinely interested in the community’s views on why they are so unloved? RG can be had for 100, platinum not much more and one platinum version sold at Phillips below 100 recently.

Surely a huge amount of watch for the money?

Too big? Too heavy? Not attractive? No offence will be taken!

I don’t think they are very attractive honestly- looks ugly imo sorry


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[conkers]

Originally Posted by dauster

I don’t think they are very attractive honestly- looks ugly imo sorry


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Fair enough! You mean these two specific models I assume rather than 44mm offshores generally? Any particularly aspect that you don’t like?

[dauster]

Originally Posted by conkers

Fair enough! You mean these two specific models I assume rather than 44mm offshores generally? Any particularly aspect that you don’t like?

I just don't like the look of the dial of these two specifically, looks cluttered and confusing. Generally, I always liked the ROO - I used to have one myself.

[J.T.]

Originally Posted by conkers

Super cool piece congrats!

Slowly growing my collection and just trying to be like you when I grow up!

I almost pulled the trigger on the Japan PT but I already have 6 other variants of 44mm, so I passed. Looking for some special 41mm RO models currently

[J.T.]

Originally Posted by impactplayer

Wow, haven't seen this variant before. It's incredible!

Yea I've had it a few years. It never gets old. I haven't seen another on here previously.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by gretch6364

Usually not a fan of quoting large pictures in replies, but in this case it's justified. If I had to pick one AP to replace my entire collection, this (or the Ti version) would probably be it.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by conkers

Indeed. Here’s mine - 10 piece edition. There was a platinum bezel version too but I went with ceramic for practicality reasons.

That's an IYKYK watch, for sure

[conkers]

Originally Posted by dauster

I just don't like the look of the dial of these two specifically, looks cluttered and confusing. Generally, I always liked the ROO - I used to have one myself.

Thanks for coming back and appreciate the thoughts.

[WatchEater666]

Personally, I really like smaller watches as I find them more confortable, harder to ding, etc.

Wrist is 7.25 which means i can usually pull off larger, but whenever I put something on that is on the smaller/thinner side, I remember how much more I like that.

Then, the other part of it for me is at that price point, there are other watches I'd rather have. The Greubel Forsey Balancier is around 100k - $120k used, Voutilainen Inverse is a smidge more, Romain Gauthier has the Logical one that goes for ~$120k - $130k used, etc. To me, those are all much, much more interesting.

[conkers]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Personally, I really like smaller watches as I find them more confortable, harder to ding, etc.

Wrist is 7.25 which means i can usually pull off larger, but whenever I put something on that is on the smaller/thinner side, I remember how much more I like that.

Then, the other part of it for me is at that price point, there are other watches I'd rather have. The Greubel Forsey Balancier is around 100k - $120k used, Voutilainen Inverse is a smidge more, Romain Gauthier has the Logical one that goes for ~$120k - $130k used, etc. To me, those are all much, much more interesting.

Good feedback. Certainly some great options out there at that price point. I am a huge fan of GF, less so the others.

[vliberman]

I believe that cross pollination of models leads to this phenomenon particularly as it relates to ROO. It was always supposed to be modern chronograph version of RO. Once ROC was introduced, depending on trends, one or the other version tends to be out of favor. ROC circa 2000s all the way up to 2015, ROO these days. Further, introduction of tourbillon into ROO makes little sense homologically. It absolutely adds nothing to what the watch represents and is sold at stratospheric levels as compared to competition. Therefore, secondary would not hold.

[conkers]

Originally Posted by vliberman

I believe that cross pollination of models leads to this phenomenon particularly as it relates to ROO. It was always supposed to be modern chronograph version of RO. Once ROC was introduced, depending on trends, one or the other version tends to be out of favor. ROC circa 2000s all the way up to 2015, ROO these days. Further, introduction of tourbillon into ROO makes little sense homologically. It absolutely adds nothing to what the watch represents and is sold at stratospheric levels as compared to competition. Therefore, secondary would not hold.

Indeed! Entry price critical.