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26 January 2023, 07:22 AM | #61 |
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Tough crowd. I think it's a nice looking dial, that was priced appropriately.
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but let us be honest on the other hand, all you find with gilt dial around 25k is already in a state of "sign of life" or has been relumed or retouched..... If he would have targeted a mint original gilt dial, OP would have certainly spent at least 10 to 15k extra ... |
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26 January 2023, 10:12 AM | #63 |
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Quite frankly don't see an issue either here as not everyone has the same taste and find beauty in different perspectives. As long as it's priced appropriately which Jacek seems to do on a regular basis.
On that note, it's cool to find flawless specimens but living through the hobby I find beauty/interest in the natural wear with the passage of time as well. Even modern watches I own I start to have these thoughts when I see battle scars.....everything tells a story and conjures a memory.....that's what makes this meaningful for me. |
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If your only option for buying watches is to pay premiums to famous dealers, then this is true.
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You're funny, first you suggested that it would be $35k-$40k for an excellent gilt Sub ($25k plus $10k-$15k), and then when I said they could be found for less if you hunt, you came back with this wise-guy comment. $20k for an excellent gilt Sub? No soup for you!
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no soup ok...how much means less ? give us some light, it is always easy to comment on OP or its seller, but give us your benchmark, then we start talking with the same point of reference...and we can compare apple and apple ... |
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Don't forget that the dealers bought those watches at half the prices they are asking, so the watches are out there if you can find them.
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I think you can find a *great* deal with a lot of digging but my time is also worth ~$1500 an hour so it's worth paying dealers for a bit of premium. When I was a kid, I used to run a guitar retailer and would hunt down & buy killer vintage guitar inventory all the time. It requires work & hours. Not really something I'm willing to do in this case :) |
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I personally hope the OP enjoys his watch.
The OP likes the watch, so good for him. If he got taken, well, with something so obvious, ie. That there is damage or cracking of the dial, for someone to spend that much without a lot of research, regardless of how much money they make, well then, caveat emptor. However, if he likes it and it doesn’t flake or damage the watch, and it is unique and what he wanted and was willing to pay for it, and knew what he was doing, then good for him and I hope the OP enjoys it despite any negative comments. No one else has one that looks just like that, so it is unique, and I think it looks cool. If you don’t, ok, that is your opinion. I think that leaving a case that has nicks, scratches, gouges, etc. because of some history that you will never know, as it is possible the “history” that one romantically enjoys was not from some other person’s military service (not your own or that of a close family member and why you want some stranger’s watch that was used for that is beyond me, but, whatever floats your boat-I don’t know why someone would want my boots, uniform, or watch from my time in the army) or adventures, but, someone who just abused or beat up the watch, or didn’t care, does not look very good.
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For me, while I can afford to spend more on a watch, it just rubs me the wrong way to give my money to the dealers who have largely ruined this hobby with their greed and self-promotion. I'd rather pay extra to pry a great example out of the hands of one of my friends (real or virtual), that's where the best watches are found if you really want something good. Also, after a while, another watch is just another watch ... the hunt becomes most of the fun. As I noted, my main concern is the stability of the dial, so just be gentle with it.
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To be transparent, what i like in some sellers like this one is that at least they provide high re picture without hiding the "defects"...(even if i share your opinion when they present these defects as strengths)... I was not really lucky in Auction so far, just bidding on something different in general worse from what they showed on picture. That said if you do have abilities to identify a bargain from photo, that's not my case and for that reason, i am keen to spend a 10% extra through a recommended dealer. PS: Sorry OP for the off topic...for me this watch is nice even though the dial is showing its age ... |
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I think you mean a 100% premium, not 10% :-)
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Dan, in my experience, the dealer margins are much less than you think they are.
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However, on many occasions I've seen watches bought in auctions and then immediately listed on a dealer site, and I've generally seen mark-ups close to 100%. I don't blame them. If they can get someone to pay that price, they'd be stupid to ask less. And if you take a risk buying something in an auction, it's only fair to make some profit. Many of the watches in auctions have issues.
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I also think that dealers are buying the majority of watches between themself, with chat online or at the shows. I'm sure there are dealres that are digging auction, pawn shop, flea market or from the uneducated seller or the seller in need and make 100% or more profit, but not the majority on the current market |
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