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1 June 2022, 07:36 PM | #61 |
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After two pages of replies, I'm convinced that for 100% peace of mind go with an AD. If someone can live with a small amount of doubt and want's a watch in a hurry than go with a trusted seller. If one can live with a much greater amount of doubt, I suggest buying on the street in some shady area for the cheapest possible option.
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2 June 2022, 03:15 AM | #62 | |
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2 June 2022, 03:42 AM | #63 |
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2 June 2022, 03:53 AM | #64 |
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By definition not a trusted seller if that happened
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2 June 2022, 03:53 AM | #65 |
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2 June 2022, 03:59 AM | #66 |
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This is the obvious choice but in reality is just not feasible for average buyers. Also, if you have any interest in a discontinued model (e.g. Exp. 39), then obviously no choice at all!
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2 June 2022, 04:03 AM | #67 |
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Would a Grey Dealer Refund your Money if RSC seized the watch the grey sold u?
Read through this thread, got a headache.
Why bring up a hypothetical situation and argue why you think some people would or would not behave a certain way??? A good trusted seller doesn’t source his/her watches from any shady seller. if I were in the business of buying luxury goods to resell to public , I would have my resources to check the validity of the good and not buy stolen goods to begin with. So all in all, possibility of a well known trusted seller ending up with a stolen goods is minimal if not zero. If they do end up with a stolen watch and sell it unknowingly , the last thing they would want is for their years of reputation go down the drain for a measly $10k mistake , so I am sure they would buy it back in an instant to keep their shining reputation. Now if you go on a Facebook group and buy from some random dude across the country, good luck clearing that situation. I would have no second thoughts about buying from well known trusted sellers here and/or selling to them if the need ever arises. If anyone doesn’t feel comfortable enough, they shouldn’t do deals with trusted sellers. Honestly the more demand there is on trusted sellers the more they will charge, so yeah, on a second thought, please walk away from them and reduce the demand on them as much as you can. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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2 June 2022, 08:23 AM | #68 | |
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14 June 2022, 07:58 AM | #69 |
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Dude obviously had (or has) an agenda...
"I bet this happened," or, "more times than not, this probably happened." What an idiot. |
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14 June 2022, 11:16 PM | #71 | |
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If they are doing their job correctly ("my" UK based reseller checks every watch they are considering taking into stock directly with Rolex UK over and above checking and verifying the identity of everyone they deal with as a buyer or seller) then they won't be acquiring stolen watches. If they've never dealt with a stolen watch they won't be able to tell you what they did. If they simply say "we'd refund you" you clearly wouldn't accept that as it is bereft of any physical examples to evidence to your satisfaction their trustworthyness. If you are looking for examples of actions that were not taken because there was no event from which those actions were derived you will be looking until the end of time.
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14 June 2022, 11:19 PM | #72 |
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Between all the TS, there are many thousands of transactions over the years. The hypothetical situation hasn't happened in any of them. Not only that, I cannot think of one transaction with a TS listed here that had problems and the buyer wasn't made right in the end. Their reputation is all they have.
The idea that the TS need to come in here and defend themselves isn't really rational. The idea that they can't be trusted because they didn't come in here to defend themselves is even more irrational. You don't want to trust a TS, then don't buy from them. Other people (like me) do trust the TS. Let us buy in peace, it's no skin off your nose. Live and let live. |
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Or just don't buy from them. Simple.
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15 June 2022, 02:24 AM | #74 | |
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Yeah....but what if???
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15 June 2022, 03:23 AM | #78 |
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They are calling you trusted sellers out....so why dont you answer!!!!!.......
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15 June 2022, 03:27 AM | #79 | |
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They are not calling out the trusted sellers, it's just the OP that has this obsession. I personally have known a few of the guys being referred to as trusted sellers for years and believe me when I tell you, I trust them completely. |
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15 June 2022, 04:19 AM | #82 |
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So much confusion arises because people call used watch dealers the grey market. Grey markets are unsold new products dumped by the manufacturers or distributors into parallel lines of distribution, typically without warranties. With Rolex all these watch dealers are simply used watch dealers. They sell used watches which someone else owned and sold to them. There will always be problems with stolen stuff getting into used watch dealer's inventories. This is why prudent buyers want box and papers. B&P reduce the risk but not totally. The key is to only buy from established used watch dealers who will refund your purchase price at any time a watch they sold you turns out to be stolen. Perhaps, in an ideal world, used watch dealers would only buy from the original owners with box and papers and sales receipts from the AD. Once a watch trades hands a few times there is really no way to fully understand it's provenance, even if the last seller to the used watch dealer is a regular and stellar, legit client of the used watch dealer.
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15 June 2022, 04:35 AM | #83 | |
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But the reason no big name trusted sellers are "chiming in" is also simple. They have no reason to respond to troll hypothetical questions.
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15 June 2022, 06:33 AM | #84 |
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For these so called trusted sellers to not have clearly written guarantees that the buyer will be made whole if their watch is seized by RSC because it was reported stolen is a red flag. But I guess they are trusted so much they don't have to offer any kinda guarantees or put anything in writing... Oh and btw if you are a Rolex Collector and want to test the validity of the so called trusted seller you will have to deal with the peanut gallery and their illogical reasoning. I mean if these guys are such trusted sellers... why don't they have any standards amongst this group of proclaimed trusted sellers? simple stuff like making the client whole if they are sold a watch that is seized by RSC. I mean you would think someone who is trusted or a group of trusted sellesr would hold themselves to a higher standard like this. But apparently according to the peanut gallery its not OK to ask anything about a trusted seller. You have to just trust them and trust the peanut gallery. that is a big no and not how trust works at all.
Why aren't the trusted sellers of rolexforum creating standards of what actions will be taken in a nightmare situation for a buyer. So that if you are a trusted seller here you have to abide by basic business guidelines of a course of action that must be taken when a nightmare scenario occurs. Believe it or not in life sometimes shit hits the fan, but apparently according to the peanut gallery this is against the laws of physics with their proclaimed trusted sellers! get outta here with that BS line of logic.... The peanut gallery's response is a bunch of hand waiving and proclaiming "all they have is their reputation. you must trust them" . What kind of logic is there in this reasoning? Why don't these trusted sellers actually put things in writing so that sellers know that they will be made whole in a nightmare scenario etc. So weird for a group of trusted sellers to not have any kinda guarantees like that. Who trusts that in all honesty? |
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A seller, here on the forum is just another person. They may or may not have a business. They have nothing to do with the forum other than they are a member here. If you have a question you need to take it up with an individual seller, not the forum and not the community at large. Good luck.
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fly-by-night = (Entry 1 of 2) 1 : one that seeks to evade responsibilities and especially creditors by flight. 2 : one without established reputation or standing especially : a shaky business enterprise. There is a reason these trusted sellers aren't putting things in writing they are operating a fly-by-night business practice. I'm glad beshannon brought that to everyone's attention just a pity you can't use less words to say the same thing. |
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15 June 2022, 07:38 AM | #89 |
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no. you are just accusing me of being a troll is all you are doing. What I have stated is exactly what beshannon described i.e what is commonly called a fly-by-night operation. I also care a great deal about efficiency and I don't enjoy overly verbose statements. So I informed beshannon that what was being described is literally called a fly-by-night operation for how the trusted sellers were spoken of here. No standards, Nothing written to give a client a sense of knowing they will be taken care of in a nightmare situation. That is exactly the type of business practices that fly-by-night people do as well and same here with the trusted sellers. I'm sorry but that isn't trolling it is just callings things what they are without being overly verbose.
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15 June 2022, 08:04 AM | #90 | |
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You care a great deal about efficiency...good one. Is this my ex-wife in disguise....???? Honey, is that you? |
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