AD’s are telling me that they can get a steel Daytona faster than a Pepsi

[Cassian739]

Originally Posted by Goose 104

I read that there are slight differences in fit for the pepsi so it can't be swapped with the BLNR. Also, I'm not sure it's a simple procedure as they are susceptible to cracking.

Correct. If you look closely at pictures you'll see the BLRO outer metal bezel ring is slightly thicker than other GMTs. I guess to provide more support due to ceramic cracking?

[Henrimontgomery]

Heard the same from Bucherer, and usually I don’t like these threads or rumors.

I’ll also say getting a GRNR (the one released this year in steel) is quite easy too. Just has to wait 5 months, and even then most of that is because it was not yet released fully.

[espanol]

Could very well mean it’s just in incredibly high demand. Perhaps even more so than the Daytona.

To those arguing around the use of the word “rare,” yes, the watch is not rare. That’s not the correct way to describe it. Demand just greatly exceeds supply.

[Fredrik]

Rolex seems to be shipping massive amounts of SS Daytonas at the moment. The numbers I was told pointed to about 10 times as many SS Daytonas (black or white) to SS BLRO GMTs recieved by ADs. All the other GMTs are relatively common in comparison to the BLRO.

[gamingdoctor]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Rolex seems to be shipping massive amounts of SS Daytonas at the moment. The numbers I was told pointed to about 10 times as many SS Daytonas (black or white) to SS BLRO GMTs recieved by ADs. All the other GMTs are relatively common in comparison to the BLRO.

Source?

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

Source?

What’s sources other than an AD would there be?


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[airchitect]

Originally Posted by OTX

Take how you feel about the BLRO and it’s just another GMT out of the equation and look at the market. The BLRO is by far the most wanted GMT and by a long mile. The BLRO goes for a very significant premium over the others!. The people have spoken lol. Like they say the truth doesn’t care about my feelings or yours.

Facts over feelings for the win!


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[airchitect]

Originally Posted by Gva1985

Daytona is and always will be the ultimate Rolex steel sports watch and it’s not going to change

Due to its diminutive size I’d say, yes it is the ultimate for the ladies


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[worldofoyster]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

Source?

Source? Nobody knows, just pure speculation and rumors

[BNA/LION]

Tell them to get you a Daytona.

[Daytona king]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

Tell them to get you a Daytona.

This.


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[Krash]

Originally Posted by HL65

They are not rare let alone so rare.

Yes they are. They are rare relative to the population that wants one at MSRP. Extremely rare, virtually nonexistent.

It might be a mass produced watch, but that doesn’t make it plentiful once factoring demand vs supply.


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[Krash]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Pepsi is not ‘rare’ or scarce. It’s a mass produced modern Rolex. People are so gullible.

Just because a product is mass produced, that doesn’t mean it’s plentiful. Pepsi is rare. Virtually nonexistent if you want to buy one at MSRP.


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[Oxfordian]

Discussing the BLRO with my SA a week or so back I was told that there are issues with the bezel on the watch, Rolex is having problems again. The BLNR is easier to manufacture as the colours work better together but the blue/red is just proving problematic.

As a result the AD hasn't seen a BLRO for some months but has received BLNR and SS Daytonas in that period.

Make of that what you will.

[milgauss2232]

Don’t believe that until the day I can trade my blro with a Daytona without top up

[gamingdoctor]

Originally Posted by espanol

Could very well mean it’s just in incredibly high demand. Perhaps even more so than the Daytona.

To those arguing around the use of the word “rare,” yes, the watch is not rare. That’s not the correct way to describe it. Demand just greatly exceeds supply.

It's certainly rare.

Since the earth was formed, there have been an extremely high number of solar eclipses. But in our lifetimes they are still quite rare. Does that make sense?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Cassian739

Correct. If you look closely at pictures you'll see the BLRO outer metal bezel ring is slightly thicker than other GMTs. I guess to provide more support due to ceramic cracking?

I heard that here some time ago as well. Good information

[Krash]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

It's certainly rare.

Since the earth was formed, there have been an extremely high number of solar eclipses. But in our lifetimes they are still quite rare. Does that make sense?

When people say a BLRO isn’t rare, it’s like saying water isn’t 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. That’s how ridiculous it is.


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[espanol]

Originally Posted by Krash

When people say a BLRO isn’t rare, it’s like saying water isn’t 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. That’s how ridiculous it is.


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It's not ridiculous. Rare is relative. Is a BLRO rare compared to other upstream mechanical watches? Absolutely not. Let's say Rolex manufactures 1.2M watches per year. Let's say 1% go toward the BLRO. We're looking at 12k per year. With a current 6-year run, that's 72,000 units. FPJourne doesn't even produce 1k total watches per year. AP is estimated at 40-50k per year in total, across all lines. Patek is 60k per year across all lines. Let's say 1% of Patek's output goes toward their most demanded watch, a steel Nautilus. That would be 600 per year, which is 1 for every 20 BLRO produced. Again, all estimates.

Is it rare relative to demand? Absolutely. No one is debating that.

It's all relative, but not 'ridiculous' to say it's not rare. There are much more rare watches out there.

[brandrea]

It’s rare compared to an Apple Watch

Carry on

[powerfunk]

Making a two-color one-piece ceramic bezel insert is apparently exceptionally difficult, because nobody else can make one (aside from just making one half lighter/white or darker/black). Nobody. Not one single watch manufacturer on Earth seems to be able to make one. So this idea that "oh of COURSE Rolex can make plenty" isn't necessarily true.

If you need proof that Omega literally doesn't know how to make a red-and-blue ceramic one-piece insert, remember that the red on these inserts is rubber added on top:

[Krash]

Originally Posted by espanol

It's not ridiculous. Rare is relative. Is a BLRO rare compared to other upstream mechanical watches? Absolutely not. Let's say Rolex manufactures 1.2M watches per year. Let's say 1% go toward the BLRO. We're looking at 12k per year. With a current 6-year run, that's 72,000 units. FPJourne doesn't even produce 1k total watches per year. AP is estimated at 40-50k per year in total, across all lines. Patek is 60k per year across all lines. Let's say 1% of Patek's output goes toward their most demanded watch, a steel Nautilus. That would be 600 per year, which is 1 for every 20 BLRO produced. Again, all estimates.

Is it rare relative to demand? Absolutely. No one is debating that.

It's all relative, but not 'ridiculous' to say it's not rare. There are much more rare watches out there.

72,000 units over 6 years is rare considering the US population is 340 million and EU popular is 450 million. That’s only 72,000 watches for a combined population of 790 million people.


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[Harry-57]

Of that 790m, how many are queuing up for a BLRO? Ballpark.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Of that 790m, how many are queuing up for a BLRO? Ballpark.

It means only .009% of the US and EU population can acquire one. Both that doesn’t take into account the Asian markets. I don’t have time to dig that deep into Asian populations and do all the math. So, no matter how you slice it, it’s rare

In terms of TRF subscribers, it’s not a rare watch obviously. We see them all the time on here, but that doesn’t mean they’re plentiful out in the real world.


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[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

Tell them to get you a Daytona.

Yeah, I declined when offered one of either color. But a BLRO was "maybe next year". I want one on oyster which is easier. A year ago when I asked about it they said that it could take a few months, so things have changed.

You know, it is mostly in the USA that the Daytona is massively sought after. It might have to do with the name. But it was considered a ladies watch here up until about 15 years ago. My then boss bought one in 2009 and got a nice discount, they had them in the window back then on constant display, they were hard to sell here. They are not easy to get here nowadays, the FOMO has spread, but personally I need a watch with a date that is easy to read, and the Daytona is hard to read regardless of dial and it has no date so it is not for me.

[espanol]

Originally Posted by Krash

It means only .009% of the US and EU population can acquire one. Both that doesn’t take into account the Asian markets. I don’t have time to dig that deep into Asian populations and do all the math. So, no matter how you slice it, it’s rare

In terms of TRF subscribers, it’s not a rare watch obviously. We see them all the time on here, but that doesn’t mean they’re plentiful out in the real world.


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The logic makes sense, but I don’t think it’s the optimal way to measure a luxury item’s rarity. The majority of your sample size are not interested in buying a BLRO, so using the entire population as a metric of potential demand is meaningless.

It’s estimated there are 28.4m Apple Watch users in the US. That’s only ~8% of US population, so 1/12 use it. Does that make it rare?

[Minkus]

Just got one on Thursday... No longer rare to me. LFG!

[Krash]

Originally Posted by espanol

The logic makes sense, but I don’t think it’s the optimal way to measure a luxury item’s rarity. The majority of your sample size are not interested in buying a BLRO, so using the entire population as a metric of potential demand is meaningless.

It’s estimated there are 28.4m Apple Watch users in the US. That’s only ~8% of US population, so 1/12 use it. Does that make it rare?

Here is how I would argue that. If 8% of the population has lung cancer, for example, I wouldn’t classify that as rare. Quite the contrary, that’s a pretty significant number.

However, once we’re talking about tenths of a percent, then I’d classify that as rare. Extremely rare.


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[espanol]

Originally Posted by Krash

Here is how I would argue that. If 8% of the population has lung cancer, for example, I wouldn’t classify that as rare. Quite the contrary, that’s a pretty significant number.

However, once we’re talking about tenths of a percent, then I’d classify that as rare. Extremely rare.


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Makes sense

[ndane]

My AD told me the same; RE: Getting more Daytonas than BLROs