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Old 26 June 2017, 10:54 AM   #61
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It seems like many others agree with you (myself included). I know it's nearly impossible to gauge future value, but I often wonder if certain runs of the 16570 will experienced a similar desirability and price jump in the future as the 5 digit GMT Master II did.


Over here in the UK the price at an AD for an exp2 is £5,950 whereas the black GMT is £6,200 and the BLNR is £6,550. In the UK the Exp2 is one of the worst value watches in the Rolex lineup. All prices include all taxes.
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Old 26 June 2017, 10:55 AM   #62
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I would say the new stainless steel skydweller as well...but I could be completely wrong in a couple years
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:32 AM   #63
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:37 AM   #64
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:39 AM   #65
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Rolex items are luxury goods...they are all over priced...so which one is less overpriced depends on how much you "like" the watch.
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Old 26 June 2017, 12:41 PM   #66
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In the current lineup, the GMT IIc 116710 can be bought like new with papers in the secondary market for $6500. That's a good deal. Both subs in stainless are good value.

The 16570 Exp II and the 36mm five-digit quickset Datejust can be found in many dial and bracelet combinations and is a great great watch.

Oh, and the Thunderbirds in the secondary market.
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Old 26 June 2017, 12:59 PM   #67
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Yacht-master 40mm 16622 with grey face, this you can get for $4,500 which is a nice watch and can be worn with anything. It is actually called the Yacht-master platinum and a novice person will think it is more expensive than the gold yacht-master.
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Old 26 June 2017, 01:50 PM   #68
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16570 polar - between 3500 to 5000 depending on age and condition.


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Old 26 June 2017, 02:00 PM   #69
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Old 26 June 2017, 05:16 PM   #70
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Over here in the UK the price at an AD for an exp2 is £5,950 whereas the black GMT is £6,200 and the BLNR is £6,550. In the UK the Exp2 is one of the worst value watches in the Rolex lineup. All prices include all taxes.
Why do you say the Exp 2 is worst value watch? I can't understand your logic?
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Old 26 June 2017, 05:24 PM   #71
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Over here in the UK the price at an AD for an exp2 is £5,950 whereas the black GMT is £6,200 and the BLNR is £6,550. In the UK the Exp2 is one of the worst value watches in the Rolex lineup. All prices include all taxes.
this does not make sense. The pricing position follows the features on the watch. Fixed SS bezel is less than the rotatable ceramic bezel which is less than a rotatable two colored ceramic bezel. All have GMT functions so that is basically a wash (different movements aside) and the cheapest one is a twin lock and the more expensive are the trip lock. So they logically are priced where they should be personal preferences aside. The explorer II should be a bit less than the GMT C which should be less than the BLNR, maybe its a few hundred dollars or pounds too high when directly comparing the two but its not enough of a difference to make it the worst value.


I still maintain the SS skydewller is the only rolex watch that is priced too low for what it is and thus is the best "value"
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Old 26 June 2017, 09:34 PM   #72
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Old 26 June 2017, 09:47 PM   #73
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Old 26 June 2017, 10:31 PM   #74
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The Oysterquartz. Only 25,000 ever made from 78-2001 and a price point around $3k. Given its rarity and history, no other Rolex offers such value.
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Old 26 June 2017, 10:49 PM   #75
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16570 Polar with full b&p and costs $2,000 less than a gmt master, watch alone.

I guess design and personal choice matters most and I bought a gmt master afterall.
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Old 26 June 2017, 10:51 PM   #76
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Old 26 June 2017, 10:51 PM   #77
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The Oysterquartz. Only 25,000 ever made from 78-2001 and a price point around $3k. Given its rarity and history, no other Rolex offers such value.
I guess the quartz really turns people off, and common non-WIS folks may even think its a replica. As much as personal choice, other people's perception do play a part in our purchase decision afterall.
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:01 PM   #78
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I guess the quartz really turns people off, and common non-WIS folks may even think its a replica. As much as personal choice, other people's perception do play a part in our purchase decision afterall.
That's EXACTLY why it's such great value. It's a misunderstood rare unicorn.
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:24 PM   #79
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Old 26 June 2017, 11:30 PM   #80
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A watch loses 50% of its value after you leave the store? I'm gonna need some sources on this. Even the most unpopular watches shouldn't lose 50% immediately.


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My 116610LV actually effectively made me £600 the second I walked out the store in the UK so that logic is rather flawed, saying that a friend received a Ulysee Nardin as a wedding gift, at around £11,000 I believe, wasn't to his taste, went to a pawn shop and was offered £1400!!!
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Old 27 June 2017, 12:13 AM   #81
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Simple. Whatever holds its value. So BLNR, Hulk, Daytona.
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Old 27 June 2017, 12:42 AM   #82
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This datejust 41 is pretty good value I think
This is the watch that is dominating my thoughts of late. Great picture!
Back to the thread, I'm glad to see the Explorer and Explorer 2 are both considered good bang for the buck, since those are the two I own. I can't beleive how good the prices are on the Mk1 Explorer 1's right now. Amazing value.
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Old 27 June 2017, 12:56 AM   #83
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Explorer 1 in the sport lineup is a great bang for the buck.
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Old 27 June 2017, 01:19 AM   #84
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Old 27 June 2017, 04:42 AM   #85
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this does not make sense. The pricing position follows the features on the watch. Fixed SS bezel is less than the rotatable ceramic bezel which is less than a rotatable two colored ceramic bezel. All have GMT functions so that is basically a wash (different movements aside) and the cheapest one is a twin lock and the more expensive are the trip lock. So they logically are priced where they should be personal preferences aside. The explorer II should be a bit less than the GMT C which should be less than the BLNR, maybe its a few hundred dollars or pounds too high when directly comparing the two but its not enough of a difference to make it the worst value.


I still maintain the SS skydewller is the only rolex watch that is priced too low for what it is and thus is the best "value"
I've seen new exp 2's for approx £5,400 new online and on that basis i would actually rate it a pretty good value proposition given the complications and the fact it's a fair hunk of metal. At rrp though, I suspect with the complexity of the bezel colour, material and rotating bezel etc the BLNR would be the one out of those three (despite the fact I own the other 2)
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Old 27 June 2017, 05:11 AM   #86
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Using that as the definition of "bang for the buck", I would say a pre-owned DJ. You can purchase one for well under $5K USD and it is the most widely recognized Rolex by the non-WIS public.

Exactly, which is why I was able to find an affordable DJ in excellent shape for a (relatively) cheap price. My next will be a used 40mm Explorer II, which is also available for less than 5K and yet has the features (GMT) and look I like, and is within my size requirements (42mm is too big for me).


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Old 27 June 2017, 06:13 AM   #87
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This datejust 41 is pretty good value I think
This Datejust 126300 with smooth bezel is incredible in value, it also looks good in either jubilee, oyster and rubber bracelets, making it more versatile than fluted WG bezel variations.
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Old 27 June 2017, 07:22 AM   #88
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Are we talking new? Steel Submariner date for sure. Either hulk or LN. LN if you want to play it safe for investment purposes...but if they ever discontinue the hulk it will sky rocket in price so either or.

Pre-owned and fairly accessible (so no red subs or bakelite GMTs): Pre-ceramic SD or once again steel sub date.

The common denominators here are SS, iconic design, and versatility (with hulk being a slight exception to that).
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Old 27 June 2017, 07:24 AM   #89
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This datejust 41 is pretty good value I think
I think that combination of dial, bracelet and bezel might be my favourite DJ. It looks incredible.
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Old 27 June 2017, 07:25 AM   #90
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exp2 and bare bones OP as others have said.

and any tudor...
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