Any GMT BlueBerry owners here ?

[TimeLord2]

If you want a Blueberry insert you can get that right now on EBAY. They're actually quite good reproductions and come pre-faded to give it that "authentic vintage appeal". This is advertised as "New Other". Basically new. Even eWatchParts sells these.

Based on previous discussions on this topic by the much more knowledgeable people on this forum and some spirited discussions on other sites, I would have to agree that these are not a product that was ever produced by or for Rolex. I was thinking it might look good on my root beer GMT. I might call that a Root Beer Blueberry Float. You can even get them in red too. I think I might call that a Raspberry.

[Dom9]

To be fair to Crown Art; he makes it clear his Blueberry inserts are aftermarket and I believe he makes them himself. I also don't think he was around when the (un?)originals started appearing but I could be wrong!

[tekno]

The original blueberry inserts were blue with some kind of silver printing over the blue, I remember seeing photos of the numbers wearing off an insert for sale back when those things were fetching crazy amounts of $.

The original ones in question everyone was sporting had a very specific font. It didn’t look like the fat font on that one above.

That whole BS story concocted around the UAE GMT with the red hand and the blue bezel cracks me up. Wasn’t that RPM?


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[southtexas]

Originally Posted by tekno

The original blueberry inserts were blue with some kind of silver printing over the blue, I remember seeing photos of the numbers wearing off an insert for sale back when those things were fetching crazy amounts of $.

The original ones in question everyone was sporting had a very specific font. It didn’t look like the fat font on that one above.

That whole BS story concocted around the UAE GMT with the red hand and the blue bezel cracks me up. Wasn’t that RPM?


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Didn’t orchi get ahold of one and easily rub the printing off? It’s been awhile, I don’t recall…

[tekno]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Didn’t orchi get ahold of one and easily rub the printing off? It’s been awhile, I don’t recall…

I remember him talking about it, I know he didn’t think the original ones were legit.

I forgot about him, when he started pushing crazy Chinese propaganda I had to unfollow him on IG.


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[TuRo]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Didn’t orchi get ahold of one and easily rub the printing off? It’s been awhile, I don’t recall…

I miss the 'third-party-ist' Orchi if I'm honest...much maligned I felt....

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by TuRo

I miss the 'third-party-ist' Orchi if I'm honest...much maligned I felt....

I’m with you Buddy Paul

[Spark]

Originally Posted by TuRo

I miss the 'third-party-ist' Orchi if I'm honest...much maligned I felt....

Buddy Spark also misses Buddy Orchi
Legend

Sorry to hijack such a serious discussion

[1675-David]

Err buddies…

[Dom9]

Who is/was Orchi? Anyone with an Instagram handle for him? Sounds right up my alley!

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Dom9

Who is/was Orchi? Anyone with an Instagram handle for him? Sounds right up my alley!

Just don’t start referring to yourself in third person…Buddy.

[Swearengen]

Err buddies, Swearengen say why was buddy Orchi banned from this forum? Just asking

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Swearengen

Err buddies, Swearengen say why was buddy Orchi banned from this forum? Just asking

Buddy S might find himself in the same pickle

[TuRo]

Err, to get you started, Buddy TuRo offered this up for your esteemed delectation...

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...te-t14016.html

[springer]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Err, to get you started, Buddy TuRo offered this up for your esteemed delectation...

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...te-t14016.html

That Orchi thread was a good attempt at dating the GMT 16750 dials, but, as others viewed it, it was noted that the introduction or time frame for these dials was clearly out of order for several of them. While the dials are correct for the GMT 16750, one should not use it as a guide for dating the dials. As an example, the dial identified as a Mark I is not the first variation of the 16750 matte dial but, instead, is the second variation on this model.

As Turo mentioned, the Orchi thread does provide some enjoyment for its readers, like many of his old threads.

[brandrea]

I just knew we’d end up here

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I just knew we’d end up here

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I just knew we’d end up here

Me too. So sad isn't it? But there's none so blind, than those that don't want to see.

[Dom9]

Thanks buddy TuRo! Dom appreciates the esteemed link!

[dhknola]

Wow, didn't see this going down memory lane with ol' Orch...he is/was certainly a character with some excellent knowledge of old Rolex thrown in.

[tekno]

I think they all are, I hope he bought it knowing it was.


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[baumare]

Buddy Baumare missing the diatribe Orchi Vs. Josè & Buckley...

[scooba]

Oh my ! . I thought this was done to death years ago ,Xeramic over on vintage Rolex forums did a big write up some years ago pointing out how these are all incorrect . I guess some ppl just want to pretend they have something unique and different .

🙈🙈🙈

[springer]

Originally Posted by scooba

Oh my ! . I thought this was done to death years ago ,Xeramic over on vintage Rolex forums did a big write up some years ago pointing out how these are all incorrect . I guess some ppl just want to pretend they have something unique and different .

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Scooba, you are about two months late to the party for this thread!!!!!!!

Let me just say that you lost me with xer's comment. Are you saying because he said they are fake, incorrect or whatever he called them, that this is fact?

I don't care to get involved with this "blueberry" controversy but I do know there are some reputable collectors that believe they are genuine. Only Rolex can solve the mystery of the blueberry insert not speculation by the collecting community or any one individual unless they are privy to inside information from Rolex.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by springer

Scooba, you are about two months late to the party for this thread!!!!!!!

Let me just say that you lost me with xer's comment. Are you saying because he said they are fake, incorrect or whatever he called them, that this is fact?

I don't care to get involved with this "blueberry" controversy but I do know there are some reputable collectors that believe they are genuine. Only Rolex can solve the mystery of the blueberry insert not speculation by the collecting community or any one individual unless they are privy to inside information from Rolex.

Well said jP.

[Swearengen]

For the sake of balance I have spoken to some "reputable collectors", dealers and London auction houses who are less than convinced with their authenticity...........so the debate is far from clear. For the record I am not a believer

Originally Posted by springer

Scooba, you are about two months late to the party for this thread!!!!!!!

Let me just say that you lost me with xer's comment. Are you saying because he said they are fake, incorrect or whatever he called them, that this is fact?

I don't care to get involved with this "blueberry" controversy but I do know there are some reputable collectors that believe they are genuine. Only Rolex can solve the mystery of the blueberry insert not speculation by the collecting community or any one individual unless they are privy to inside information from Rolex.

[TuRo]

Blueberry Bezelgate reminds me of Lee Israel's fake letters shenanigans years back (a good film with R.E.Grant btw).
The only ones giving succour to their legitimacy, were the dealers who sold them, and the gullible saps that had bought them........ because, in essence, they had to !

[rootbeer7]

The fonts and the production quality are the giveaways to the non-believers and the incredible sums paid are enough for the believers. I’m erring on the side of the nons!!

[Paulie 50]

Is there no place to hide from these naive people? asking the same question, but sadly, knowing the answer.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Paulie 50

Is there no place to hide from these naive people? asking the same question, but sadly, knowing the answer.

Did I write something that wasn't true? First off, I never said one way or other what they are. Rolex needs to address this.

Below are some comments I made earlier this year:

I have been asked many times about these blueberry inserts beginning almost two decades ago. While my opinion will sometimes be accepted by some, and not by others, it is something that I try and stay clear of these days.

If you have been around vintage for a while, you would have noticed that not everyone agrees on every aspect regarding a particular discussion on whether something is genuine or aftermarket. Usually these discussions can become very heated and argumentative.

The GMT blueberry bezel insert is a perfect example. Many believe it is genuine and there is prima facie evidence that it might very well be genuine. There is also evidence from others on why it is not genuine.

There were also fake versions being sold here (referring to VRF) and elsewhere many years ago so be careful with a potential purchase if you are looking to buy one and share in the belief that they are genuine.

Whether two or three forum members here and others elsewhere believe blueberry inserts are non genuine Rolex, these opinions have not had much influence on those that believe they are genuine Rolex inserts. In the end, one thing for sure is that the GMT blueberry is a controversial subject.