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I love it how positive threads get 1-2 comments, but when there's a chance to skewer a dealer (who has been selling here for years with an exceptional record) everyone wants to chime in.... Why do we seek drama so badly?
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It has nothing to do with "drama," Greg. This thread confirms that there are two sides to every story. Further, I think the term "trusted seller" gets thrown around freely and, as a result, folks get complacent and can't even conceive that something could go wrong. That may be due to the overwhelming amount of good faith and camaraderie here on TRF. Trusted sellers here enjoy a special status because of all the good many have done; that is beyond dispute. Nonetheless, there are some issues, no doubt, which should be addressed openly when reconciliation between the parties privately cannot be achieved. I think that most folks have an unrealistic view that trusted sellers are intimately familiar with a specific watch and advertise it based upon that purported familiarity. Many sellers will come right out and say that that the service history is unknown, will acknowledge that aftermarket parts are used, and/or will point out cosmetic or mechanical defects; some either fail or refuse to do so, whether as a result of intentional or unintentional omission. In any event, a full and fair discussion of these matters, with the opportunity for both sides to explain the situation, benefits the entire TRF community.
We read here typically about people's problems and frustrations with ADs. So, why not the same with trusted sellers? Certainly, there must be problems with them as with ADs. If there is no objection to disclosing difficulties with ADs (and I have not read a thread where a trusted seller excoriates any criticism of ADs or otherwise objects to it), then there should be similar disclosures with respect to trusted sellers. |
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I disagree with you here, Greg. I don't see any skewering or piling on at all. It seems to be an open debate on how to treat hidden defects such as counterfeit or aftermarket parts. If it were a skewering people would be chiming in with their own experiences with the buyer or seller. I don't see that here at all.
Nobody is suggesting that the dealer is not trustworthy, and no one thinks it inappropriate for a buyer to expect genuine parts on a watch purchased through any seller on this site, "trusted or otherwise". People have been simply weighing in on the topic. Absent, as well, is the open mudslinging that has been witnessed during other reported altercations. I don't find this thread that dramatic at all. |
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I don't think it's about drama, mate. You know what they say - you do a thousand good things and no one remembers. One slip up and no one forgets. I think as a general rule, the sellers are expected to be trustworthy. No one comments on the positive threads because we all love and expect our sellers to be trustworthy, and that's really a reflection on how good you guys all are. It's a big thing because this is an anomaly and we're all rather surprised, really, especially given TempoKing's stellar record.
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I think that this thread has been quite civil and respectful. There has been no name calling or inflammatory statements, just opinions and debate relating hidden or unknown defects/counterfeit parts at the time of a sale which were unknown to both seller and buyer. It is up to each member to draw their own conclusions as to what is potentially a right or wrong decision by the parties to the transaction
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Paying up the $200 would be a no brainer for the average businessman interested in maintaining his good name. It's a trifling amount.
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who is to say the watch wasn't sold by tempoking with an original crystal? the "problem" only surfaced MONTHS later....
this is the problem with settling things over the public internets....no one really knows anything. just my two cents.... (btw, OP, just playing devil's advocate here....not suggesting in any way that you are trying to get $200 from tempoking after having switched crystals. i'm with greg ---- there's a lot of piling on here.) |
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For the sake of educating all of us on crystals I think the OP should chime in with a document from Rolex on Rolex letter head stating the crystal is in fact counterfeit or aftermarket as claimed. Counterfeit in this case imho is a word used to add shock and aw...lol. The crystal does not have any branding on it like the new style LEC crystals so i don't think you can counterfeit a non marked piece of glass but i learn something everyday and maybe i am wrong? The oysterquartz in question i believe is from the 80's and during this time rolex did not make there own crystals. So if they did not make there own crystals and there is no branding on them who can tell?Since the OP has been to rolex and is getting the watch serviced there he can post pictures of the letter that states the crystal is counterfeit (maybe they can explain in detail how they came to this conclusion) as claimed and we can all learn from this. Again i have no interest in this other than learning about crystals and how to tell them apart.
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I'm simply asking what you would do if you were in the OP's place. I don't think the OP posted this to give us drama. |
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I would like to hear an update from the OP or another update from tempoking to see if the situation is being resolved behind closed doors or what is possibly happening....
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"The addition of non-genuine parts to any Rolex watch renders it a counterfeit as defined by Federal Law. It is therefore unlawful to sell or offer such modified watch for sale. Rolex will not service watches altered with non-genuine parts or accessories." I don't think it was wrong of the OP to use such language. Like most people, I don't have a horse in this race but I hope the issue was settle amicably to both parties.
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Personally I dont think this will hurt Tony in any way, I would still buy from him so will many others.
This is just a small "hiccup" and will not alter my thinking of both involved. Just an encouraging positive comment.....
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At the risk of being a "Johnny come lately" in this, Tony is more than likely totally innocent as far as the crystasl goes. Having been in the watch repair business, I know many people would opt to use a less expensive aftermarket crystal than a much higher priced Rolex one. The crystals are basically the same and may even be made by the same business. Tony bought the watch (I assume) and believed it to be a gen crystal. How Rolex could determine it was aftermarket is beyond me. I've looked at gen and non-gen crystals for years, and other than the newqer ones with the LEC I cannot tell the difference in most cases.
He sold the watch in it's present state assuming a gen glass and the buyer purchased it assuming the same. Who's at fault? WHo knows...my point is as far as the crystal goes, I don't believe either party is at fault. Both assumed it was gen, both got burned when they bought it. The whole issue should, in my opinion, never have been made a public matter. It should have been handeled by the two in PM or email. All we did was muddy the waters, possibly hurt feeling, possibly offend. JMHO Dave
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Wesley, I'm not arguing that point, I'm just saying that he possibly (probably) didn't know, and when told yeah, probably should have replaced it, but like I said, it should have been done all in private between the involved parties, not in a public forum.
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Agreed. I think issues should first be handled privately. If they cannot be privately resolved, it's ok to make the issue public. I think we should all be aware of shady sellers and buyers (in general).
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I've purchase two white gold President and made many other deals with Tempoking/Anastasios. He's honest and has always been very helpful.
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I agree that this should have been solved privately if possible, but I think OP saw no other recourse than to post it here.
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It would have been a whole lot easier if the buyer took the seller up on the 2 year "similar to Rolex" warranty.
There would have been the opportunity to fit a genuine crystal, gaskets, battery all free. Failure to undertake these repairs through would have made Anastasios's word worthless here. I know it's not easy to send watches into the USA but there's more than one way to skin a cat. I'll not comment about how things actually transpired other than when one party gives it the "that's the end of it as far as I am concerned", it rarely turns out this way. I am ever mindful of the threat of seller blackmail but it does not seem to be a case of this here. Some may wonder that the fear of this is what makes the exemplars of service such as Davdsw, Greg, Tony, Alfred etc truly Trusted Sellers. I'm not so sure. There are a few here who go all the way and a little more. It's a combination of true character and also a little business "savvyness". The OP made a mistake in not getting the watch back to A and put the warranty to the test. Can't this still be done? There a lot of money to be saved. |
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I still can't figure out why a watch with a 2 year similar to rolex warranty would have any cost to be repaired.
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I just read the ops initial post again. The seller offered to buy back the watch at a lower cost?! If that's true, I don't have much " trust" in this " trusted seller"
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Had the watch not had an aftermarket crystal, this thread would have never happened. The OP had his dad's watch serviced and he wouldn't have bothered the seller to pay for it, just like a lot of people who buy a used Rolex send them in for service when they first get them. The only costs really should be to replace the crystal because the aftermarket part wasn't disclosed (even if the seller didn't know it is his responsibility).
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