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kilyung · 14 October 2016, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Iulian.Butum

The hours markers at 5 and 2 are not aligned!Looks fake!

I think we've sufficiently noted that the dial is likely not genuine. Doesn't mean the rest of it isn't.

AgentHsu · 14 October 2016, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Oh they do and did, they are called Baguettes but not on the dial in question.

Really? I have seen baguettes, and they are straight rectangles. The ones in question are tapered, more trapezoidal. See my examples..

Here is the Baguette I know at 6 and 9..

AgentHsu · 14 October 2016, 04:19 AM

Here is the tapered diamond that is smaller on one end..

William.L. · 14 October 2016, 04:28 AM

Sent you a PM, I've got a bark day date link if you need an extra

MonBK · 14 October 2016, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentHsu

Here is the tapered diamond that is smaller on one end..

I said his dial wasn't authentic but this one is.

Rolex has made a lot of different shapes of diamonds.

F1polesitter · 14 October 2016, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montebay

Hey, a question I can actually answer..

"bark" is the name given to the type of pattern / finish on the band.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onikage

The finish on the centre link and bezel looks like tree bark.

Now I see it. Thanks for the response.

Alpino · 14 October 2016, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpino

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Do you still have the warranty card ? if yes can you find on it a ref# in the form R180788xxB8723 ? that could help determine which dial was on the Watch initially.
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To the OP , did you checked your warranty paper ?

Jeffchang1234 · 14 October 2016, 07:55 AM

30 second customer service is terrible. Doubt its a real Rolex AD.

AgentHsu · 14 October 2016, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

I said his dial wasn't authentic but this one is.

Rolex has made a lot of different shapes of diamonds.

Ahhh got it.. Thanks!

LuminousMaximus · 14 October 2016, 09:51 AM

I found this one on Ebay. Well, there's at least a few with the same tapered baguettes...

RoyalCrown · 14 October 2016, 10:01 AM

Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

lotus425 · 14 October 2016, 10:15 AM

lots of aftermarket dials and bezels are popular in the Rolex scene. Modifying Rolex watches have been a new niche subculture in recent years. These tuners have done what Rolex was afraid or could not do. Adding special touches for the demanding customers into cutting edge haute couture fashion.

Some enthusiasts like to modify cars, luxury homes, and yachts. Having a generic looking Hermes, Rolex, AP straight from the factory run the risk of being mundane in the high society. Don't want to be just another birkin, daytona, ROO owner. Check out these watch tuners

Titan Black
http://titanblack.co.uk

Project X Design
http://www.projectxdesigns.com

Label Noir
http://www.labelnoirdesign.com/en/

Seaotter · 14 October 2016, 10:22 AM

I think real !!!

Old (short) Day-Date minute hand.
Old diamond setting...

Onikage · 14 October 2016, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyalCrown

Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

Yeah ADs know everything about the 70s references of a brand they're selling.

Tools · 14 October 2016, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyalCrown

Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

I hope that this was said tongue-in-cheek.

Skwisgaar · 14 October 2016, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentHsu

The watch looks real. The dial looks either aftermarket or worked on. Notice the diamonds at 6 and 9. I do not believe Rolex made dials with tapered diamonds..

They make some crazy stuff. The one posted above is a 18956 BRIL. They go for about $278K US.

Those boutique Rolexes are fun. The Himalaya in the first link is awesome. And the simulator in the last link is pretty fun to play with.

Oh, and that watch looks legit. Did the dummy at the AD even bother to explain to you how he arrived at his opinion?

Rocket_Man · 14 October 2016, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

I found this one on Ebay. Well, there's at least a few with the same tapered baguettes...

The listing on eBay (from Beckertime) states the dial is refinished with the diamonds added (rather poorly I think) and the bracelet is after market. The OPs dial has a lot better workmanship at least.

HogwldFLTR · 14 October 2016, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyalCrown

Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

24 posts and joined this month; clearly an expert, fwiw.

Love the bark DD; very cool. Agree about the dial however. Not certain why so many have to add diamonds to Rolexes? Saw some recently on a guys first Rolex, an SS Datejust no less. Not good. I didn't get to discuss his watch with him. I guess for an expensive watch diamonds make it seem worthwhile.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket_Man

The listing on eBay (from Beckertime) states the dial is refinished with the diamonds added (rather poorly I think) and the bracelet is after market. The OPs dial has a lot better workmanship at least.

I've yet to see anything from Beckertime I'd consider owning. So many have aftermarket bracelets and dials. Every time I see the name I cringe.

Old Expat Beast · 14 October 2016, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyalCrown

Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

Says the returning troll, banned for the third time.

brettpaul · 14 October 2016, 09:43 PM

Looks legit to me mate - maybe an aftermarket dial though

dpauley · 14 October 2016, 11:29 PM

I think you will always appreciate the watch no matter what as it was your fathers. It was my father's GMT 16713 that he wore as a pilot that made me a life long fan of Rolex. It is partially about the incredible quality and all that is a Rolex, but it is largely that it makes me feel close to my father when I wear my GMT and recall all the memories of him with his on! That said, after what this "insensitive and ignorant" AD said to you, if you are anything like me, you will probably want concrete clarification. I think you have to decide what that is. If hearing from Rolex is what is going to make you feel the best then send it in. I have been buying and trading Rolex for the last 13 years. Not nearly as long as some. I have never had ( for me) a bad experience with Rolex Service Center in Dallas. If you call in to their customer service I have in fact usually spoken to the same person. 214-871-0500 is the number to Rolex in Dallas, TX. There are many who would say you don't need that etc, I respect their opinions. I am of the opinion that Rolex is still the ultimate expert on their products. Good luck and enjoy your father's watch.

ChrisStruttmann · 14 October 2016, 11:35 PM

Dealers say "counterfeit" where they really mean to say "not completely original." The AD near me (Kempf's Jewelers in Indialantic, FL) told me my 1601 was not authentic because it had a diamond dial (which I knew was not original).

I think the best bet is to find a 'bench guy' (some small family jeweler) that has been doing this for decades and isn't incentivized to lie to you and ask them for their opinion.

Most of the time they're just happy to see [prospective] customers walk through the door.

Erix · 15 October 2016, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Datejus

Imagine if you took the AD's word for it and threw it away.

That actually happened to my dad, it was an old Omega constellation.
The AD told him nobody repairs mechanic watches anymore and he threw it away.

Jfdomega · 17 March 2017, 11:00 AM

could you not see the two lume markers in the date window?

BrazenC5 · 17 March 2017, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erix

That actually happened to my dad, it was an old Omega constellation.
The AD told him nobody repairs mechanic watches anymore and he threw it away.

ouch...that one's gonna leave a mark.

mtgjr · 17 March 2017, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jfdomega

could you not see the two lume markers in the date window?

So, the guy you're talking to was last active on this forum on October 18th. Just a heads up, in case you wonder why he hasn't responded to your post.

Jfdomega · 17 March 2017, 12:46 PM

you are right. i have heard many a time a Rolex AD saying someones watch was a fake when it was just a vintage Rolex and 100% genuine!

Jfdomega · 17 March 2017, 12:49 PM

thanks. :(

actionkwj · 17 March 2017, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locutus49

I'm not a fan of diamonds, but I really like the bark. If it were me, I'd replace the dial with a DD yellow dial that would have been on the original, and wear the heck out of it.

This

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diverdoug · 17 March 2017, 12:55 PM

So if you buy a Rolex in good faith from a non-AD, and a part or parts are not authentic, Rolex might confiscate the entire watch if it is sent to RSC?

14 October 2016, 04:28 AM	#64
William.L. "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: William Location: Belleville Mi Watch: 1675 & 16013 Posts: 619	Sent you a PM, I've got a bark day date link if you need an extra __________________ Omega Bumper Automatic Rolex Datejust 16013 TT Rolex GMT 1675/3 Tudor GMT Serti GMT

14 October 2016, 09:43 PM	#80
brettpaul "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: Bahrain, Dubai Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 5,538	Looks legit to me mate - maybe an aftermarket dial though __________________ Photostream on Instagram brett_in_bahrain

14 October 2016, 07:55 AM	#68
Jeffchang1234 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: NYC Posts: 22	30 second customer service is terrible. Doubt its a real Rolex AD.

14 October 2016, 10:01 AM	#71
RoyalCrown Banned Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: NYC Watch: DSSD Posts: 24	Don't listen to anyone on here over an AD. If you have doubts get a second opinion from another AD.

14 October 2016, 10:15 AM	#72
lotus425 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Kenneth Wang Location: Taipei Watch: Rolex EXPII Posts: 88	lots of aftermarket dials and bezels are popular in the Rolex scene. Modifying Rolex watches have been a new niche subculture in recent years. These tuners have done what Rolex was afraid or could not do. Adding special touches for the demanding customers into cutting edge haute couture fashion. Some enthusiasts like to modify cars, luxury homes, and yachts. Having a generic looking Hermes, Rolex, AP straight from the factory run the risk of being mundane in the high society. Don't want to be just another birkin, daytona, ROO owner. Check out these watch tuners Titan Black http://titanblack.co.uk Project X Design http://www.projectxdesigns.com Label Noir http://www.labelnoirdesign.com/en/

14 October 2016, 10:22 AM	#73
Seaotter "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 546	I think real !!! Old (short) Day-Date minute hand. Old diamond setting...

14 October 2016, 11:29 PM	#81
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	I think you will always appreciate the watch no matter what as it was your fathers. It was my father's GMT 16713 that he wore as a pilot that made me a life long fan of Rolex. It is partially about the incredible quality and all that is a Rolex, but it is largely that it makes me feel close to my father when I wear my GMT and recall all the memories of him with his on! That said, after what this "insensitive and ignorant" AD said to you, if you are anything like me, you will probably want concrete clarification. I think you have to decide what that is. If hearing from Rolex is what is going to make you feel the best then send it in. I have been buying and trading Rolex for the last 13 years. Not nearly as long as some. I have never had ( for me) a bad experience with Rolex Service Center in Dallas. If you call in to their customer service I have in fact usually spoken to the same person. 214-871-0500 is the number to Rolex in Dallas, TX. There are many who would say you don't need that etc, I respect their opinions. I am of the opinion that Rolex is still the ultimate expert on their products. Good luck and enjoy your father's watch.

14 October 2016, 11:35 PM	#82
ChrisStruttmann "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 14	Dealers say "counterfeit" where they really mean to say "not completely original." The AD near me (Kempf's Jewelers in Indialantic, FL) told me my 1601 was not authentic because it had a diamond dial (which I knew was not original). I think the best bet is to find a 'bench guy' (some small family jeweler) that has been doing this for decades and isn't incentivized to lie to you and ask them for their opinion. Most of the time they're just happy to see [prospective] customers walk through the door.

17 March 2017, 11:00 AM	#84
Jfdomega "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 29	could you not see the two lume markers in the date window?

17 March 2017, 12:46 PM	#87
Jfdomega "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 29	you are right. i have heard many a time a Rolex AD saying someones watch was a fake when it was just a vintage Rolex and 100% genuine!

17 March 2017, 12:49 PM	#88
Jfdomega "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 29	thanks. :(

17 March 2017, 12:55 PM	#90
diverdoug Banned Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Florida Watch: YG GMT/blue Sky-D Posts: 529	So if you buy a Rolex in good faith from a non-AD, and a part or parts are not authentic, Rolex might confiscate the entire watch if it is sent to RSC?

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