How can an AD find out if you flipped?

[SlideRacker]

OK. Now for the $1M question. If you flip a watch from one AD, do you risk getting blacklisted from Rolex or just that particular AD?

[Phudu]

[QUOTE=tng11;9531203]1. Some ADs have warned me that they monitor sales forums (especially in a small country like Canada, and we have our local forums).

Get your fact straight. Canada is nowhere to consider a small country. At least try Japan, or Korea.

[JR16]

[QUOTE=Phudu;9532644]

Originally Posted by tng11

1. Some ADs have warned me that they monitor sales forums (especially in a small country like Canada, and we have our local forums).



Get your fact straight. Canada is nowhere to consider a small country. At least try Japan, or Korea.

You mean the fact that Canada’s
population is smaller than japan or South Korea and has only approximately 1/10th the population of its only neighbor?


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[Phudu]

[QUOTE=JR16;9532661]

Originally Posted by Phudu

You mean the fact that Canada’s
population is smaller than japan or South Korea and has only approximately 1/10th the population of its only neighbor?


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You stated "in a small country like Canada", you never mentioned anything about population. South Korea have a bigger population than Canada, but people don't refer to South Korea as a big country. When people refer to a country as BIG or SMALL they refer to the land mass.

AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

[Hodog16]

Originally Posted by SlideRacker

OK. Now for the $1M question. If you flip a watch from one AD, do you risk getting blacklisted from Rolex or just that particular AD?

Particular AD. This isn’t like Land Rovers and Porsche’s getting exported where you can be blacklisted from all dealers. Rolex apparently gets mad at the AD when watches get flipped, not the individual.

Thus the importance of buyers getting vetted as much as possible by the ADs. No phone sells, prefer locals and previous customers etc.

[Talbel]

Originally Posted by Razorsedge1

I might find another AD.....

I would definitely find a new AD.

[JR16]

[QUOTE=Phudu;9532737]

Originally Posted by JR16

You stated "in a small country like Canada", you never mentioned anything about population. South Korea have a bigger population than Canada, but people don't refer to South Korea as a big country. When people refer to a country as BIG or SMALL they refer to the land mass.



AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

You are hilarious , I find your posts comical.
First, I was not the person to whom you replied about Canada not being “small” (it was TNG11).
Second, what in the world does land mass have to do with Rolex sales or sales forums? Do trees and plants and lakes purchase watches ? Do mountains have their own sales forums? I think you should tone it down a bit.


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[tng11]

Originally Posted by Phudu

You stated "in a small country like Canada", you never mentioned anything about population. South Korea have a bigger population than Canada, but people don't refer to South Korea as a big country. When people refer to a country as BIG or SMALL they refer to the land mass.

AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Small market for watches I should have said. We have a small grey market and trading community, and a fraction of the ADs that the US and UK have. Much easier to track where pieces come from. You're parsing words to build up false outrage over nothing.

[Golden Ellipse]

Originally Posted by padi56

Why would any AD know or care you bought and flipped a watch,they are in business for one thing only to sell as many watches as possible. .

I bought a white ceramic Daytona once from an AD in Houston, didn’t like it, and sold it.

Later I called to order a SeaDweller, and the owner told me me he wouldn’t sell it to me “if you are going to resell it like you did the Daytona.”

This after I bought a Lange and other Rolex from them. I’ve never been in their doors again.

[alubin]

All i can say is if you think Rolex scrutinizes, try buying an aquanaut or a nautilus. Basically like getting a colonoscopy, just far more beautiful and comfortable.

[RJK]

Originally Posted by BillA

Absolutely.....everytime I come into the AD he demands to see my watch. Last time he asked me I was wearing a Seiko.....no Rolex for me that day. I learned a big lesson.

That’s crazy...I definitely wouldn’t have any patients for that. That’s the tail wagging the dog.

[lovetherolex]

[QUOTE=JR16;9532833]

Originally Posted by Phudu

Second, what in the world does land mass have to do with Rolex sales or sales forums? Do trees and plants and lakes purchase watches ? Do mountains have their own sales forums? I think you should tone it down a bit. :cheers

Originally Posted by tng11

Small market for watches I should have said. We have a small grey market and trading community, and a fraction of the ADs that the US and UK have. Much easier to track where pieces come from. You're parsing words to build up false outrage over nothing.

We all know what you meant

[frankfrazetta]

Originally Posted by 365DAS

It’s one that has had me thinking too as my AD has told me that certain buyers are “black listed” and can’t purchase from their group again. I was told that they have individuals that keep an eye on the usual online places and cross reference info such as location, sold date etc and in some cases, attempt to buy the watches back so they’re able to gain more information regarding the seller.

How true I don’t know, but I do know that such practise does exist as in my precious roles within retail I have seen this as well.


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Seems like a prohibitive amount of effort.

[Finslayer83]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

On a rare watch, where only a few are delivered nationwide at a time, those guilty of flipping will tend to stick out. Your AD may ask to see your watch at some future point in time where 2 or 3 show up online and only that many were delivered per the rep.

Lol. I’d tell em to pound sand.

[Dsmith1974]

Originally Posted by padi56

Why would any AD know or care you bought and flipped a watch,they are in business for one thing only to sell as many watches as possible. .

I don’t know but Bucherer were very insistent that I could ‘never ever’ sell the MG I was buying from them. I didn’t even bother to make a contra-case. I still have the watch but if I want to sell/swap/trade it one day for whatever reason it’s mine to sell.

Maybe it’s because they get in trouble with Rolex and the more flipped watches attributed to their store/chain negatively affects their AD status(with Rolex)?

[makrxx]

Originally Posted by Maverick_1908

That’s bs they told you.


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Thought so too but I don't know. In fact the staff said he couldn't sell me on that day itself and that he needed clearance from Rolex, which came n the next 1-2 days.

[Spartacus]

Will Rolex know, yes they should. The AD should be registering the warranty card with the buyer's name and sending it to Rolex.

I am not sure what happens when the AD does not register the sale with Rolex and or does not associate a name with the sale and warranty card.

[Maverick_1908]

Originally Posted by Spartacus

Will Rolex know, yes they should. The AD should be registering the warranty card with the buyer's name and sending it to Rolex.

I am not sure what happens when the AD does not register the sale with Rolex and or does not associate a name with the sale and warranty card.

Rolex doesn't get purchaser name, they only see the warranty card being activated.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

[Bozack90]

the dealer I just purchased from said it is policy they remove the stickers and the sales associate also started talking about how they often get inquiries from some folks who they think are re sellers and how it is difficult....they work to sell to buyers who will enjoy the watches and not those who will flip them.

I agree with the above who said times have changed, I can only guess that dealers have made a large investment in representing Rolex and last thing they want to do is jeopardize that by knowingly supplying grey dealers.

[Bozack90]

Originally Posted by Golden Ellipse

I bought a white ceramic Daytona once from an AD in Houston, didn’t like it, and sold it.

Later I called to order a SeaDweller, and the owner told me me he wouldn’t sell it to me “if you are going to resell it like you did the Daytona.”

This after I bought a Lange and other Rolex from them. I’ve never been in their doors again.

wow, talk about big brother...any idea how they knew?

[lovetherolex]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

Lol. I’d tell em to pound sand.

I believe you. And that AD would understand you, pound that sand as you proposed, and wouldn't serve you up any further desirable references.

[Golden Ellipse]

Originally Posted by Bozack90

wow, talk about big brother...any idea how they knew?

I sold to a TRF trustee seller who posted the watch without blocking the serial. That’s 100% ok. But to have the original AD call me out? No more business from me, sorry.

[Lifeisarolliecoaster]

Originally Posted by makrxx

Bought a Sub at a fairly big AD in the UK recently. Before the sales staff sold to me, he said he’ll have to send my name to Rolex to get clearance to sell to me as they now maintain a database. I asked what for? He mentioned something along the lines of ensuring my name is not on the ‘list’.

they have probably swapped their HO and put Rolex in. I’ve been told that a certain chain in the UK will check their data for any other stores you may have put your name down on. That certain chain trades under different names so they will check against those as well. This is what a SA told me to dissuade people from enquiring in every branch in the chain

[Lifeisarolliecoaster]

Originally Posted by Lifeisarolliecoaster

they have probably swapped their HO and put Rolex in. I’ve been told that a certain chain in the UK will check their data for any other stores you may have put your name down on. That certain chain trades under different names so they will check against those as well. This is what a SA told me to dissuade people from enquiring in every branch in the chain

Sorry for the typo... when the SA spoke about the potential customers details being sent off. They should have said their HO, but chose to say Rolex instead

[InitialAndPitch]

One of my colleagues picked up a Blue Sky Dweller in Asia. The grey dealer bragged that he could get anything he wanted from this dealer in Europe. Claimed his AD supplier was very important, lots of stock etc etc. and that the dealer got a fee per watch.

So he rang the AD in Europe asking to buy a Daytona. The AD said no stock, high demand, very sorry. My colleague said that he’d been given this European guy’s number. AD holds his position. Said he hadn’t sold a Daytona in 8 months. Sky Dweller? No, not for 4 months.

“That’s funny” says my colleague, I have one dated late February 2019 from your dealership sitting in front of me. With warrranty. If there’s fraud, he asks, should I go to the authorities?

Should I take the watch to Rolex to get it’s performance checked? Asks my friend? The AD, went quiet and put the call on hold and never returned to the call. He’s probably in morbid fear of losing his AD badge.

Sure, some are just resold and others find their way into organised bulk watch exports.

I have this vision of a European AD who is unusually nervous.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Lifeisarolliecoaster

they have probably swapped their HO and put Rolex in. I’ve been told that a certain chain in the UK will check their data for any other stores you may have put your name down on. That certain chain trades under different names so they will check against those as well. This is what a SA told me to dissuade people from enquiring in every branch in the chain

Yes, plus the UK AD market is like an oligopoly now with 2/3 big chains dominating the market, so they can easily check people's purchasing behaviour and their WL inquiries and can easily build up the idea of whether you are a flipper or have the potential for flipping. It is pure profiling now, and can't blame them when 3/4 buyers are flippers.

[Finslayer83]

Originally Posted by lovetherolex

I believe you. And that AD would understand you, pound that sand as you proposed, and wouldn't serve you up any further desirable references.

We’re talking watches here - freedom is scary isn’t it.

My time is too important to play games with an AD. If I want a piece and none of the area AD’s has one..... I’ll go to Davidsw, Chase, or Patrick.

The one AD that I do like could care less, I buy over the phone and he ships to TN. What’s my relationship? I stopped by one day to kill time on a work trip.

[Bozack90]

Originally Posted by Golden Ellipse

I sold to a TRF trustee seller who posted the watch without blocking the serial. That’s 100% ok. But to have the original AD call me out? No more business from me, sorry.

wow, so did you get the sense that the AD was monitoring sales boards or someone from Rolex called them to let them know.

Its kinda crazy, I mean once you buy it you should be able to do what you like with it, and if you get something that you don't end up liking what are you supposed to do? just sit on it.

On the other hand I can see where the dealers are coming from, if Rolex is trying to crack down on the resale of hot models and all of these dealers have dumped big money into their Rolex relationship with displays and stock then trying to either be more selective with buyers or discourage them from flipping would make some sense...especially since it seems to fall back on the dealer.

[Onikage]

No idea. They can guarantee you're not as prolific a flipper by unloading the dogs on you.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Golden Ellipse

I bought a white ceramic Daytona once from an AD in Houston, didn’t like it, and sold it.

Later I called to order a SeaDweller, and the owner told me me he wouldn’t sell it to me “if you are going to resell it like you did the Daytona.”

This after I bought a Lange and other Rolex from them. I’ve never been in their doors again.

How did they know you sold it the only way they would know if you told them.