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Also very limited availability - 255 Langes available worldwide on Chrono24 with availability set to “Now” and produced in 1990 and after. |
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I agree, L1 Blue way above retails, saxonia thin aventurine, 1815 chrono, a lot more pieces are trading a lot higher than they used to
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I've tried this before, I think grey dealers are hip to this game and ask for photos and the piece to be sent for evaluation
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https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=534 Same is true for cars, houses etc. What can you sell it for? Does that justify the boutique price increase? What will you have to deal with if you don’t like the piece in 6 months? Some brands you can buy and not worry too much if your heart changes. Not the case with ALS is all I’m saying. It’s very specific to the piece itself. And now that they ask for bundles in some cases look at the prices on the first part of the bundle. You may or may not like what you end up with. |
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Same here, and well said. People overestimate the liquidity of the time pieces, and underestimate the discount prices that dealers offer to purchase from customers.
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If I want to sell my iPhone right now, some dude might offer 200 USD within five minutes. If I wait two weeks, someone might offer me 800 USD. So one variable is time. |
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Isn’t this the same for any brand if you want to “get anywhere close to market value”?
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Anecdotal but I’ve actually had little trouble moving Langes. Given they were all low dollar pieces below msrp. Selling a Lange over msrp good luck unless it’s a lumen or something.
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I agree. Aside from almost all SS sports Rolex, steel Patek, and some steel sports watches from other high end brands it just take time to sell watches. And the more expensive the watch, there will be less potential buyers and therefore it can take more time to sell.
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I am not in a position to acquire neither a Lumen nor a 1815 Tourbillon, but I had relatively fine interest for both my 1815 up/down and my 1815 Chrono. As I think about it, it may not make sense to talk about value retention/liquidity for brands as a whole (except maybe Rolex), but rather for specific models. |
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This thread caught my interest as I started to look at acquiring a Zeitwerk Date. I am seeing Striking Time and other models trade below retail, but the Date model is consistently above MSRP, even with the 8% recent price increase. Curious if any of you have looked ay acquiring a Zeitwerk Date via gray dealers and have a perspective on this particular model’s value retention? Thank you
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The only things I can think of is (a) the "in" crowd hasn't caught on to the brand and thus have little to no visibility from a marketing perspective (b) there is something inherently wrong with the watches that creates some kind of liability in terms of used watch markets, or (c) ALS is a relatively "new" company and thus does not command the same respect as those that have been around for a couple of hundred years or more. |
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The Zeitwerk
The Zeitwerk is the best watch release of the last 20 years IMHO. Nobody has been able to truly duplicate the watch in a large hour and minute format. Imagine what a similar watch would cost if it said Patek Philippe or Richard Mille on the dial. Any version of the Zeitwerk is a bargain at todays prices. I have a feeling in the future they will be appreciated much more than they are currently. One other thing to keep in mind is that Lange only produce 5,000 or less watches annually and have a small dealer network so most people have never seen a Zeitwerk or Lange in person, very different than most of the hype brands which are more readily available.
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Perhaps one issue is Lange is sandwiched between a few different watches and genre. It is neither independent - like some of the big kids (rolex/patek/ap) or consider independent small like (Journe etc). Lange is owned by Richemont like Cartier/JLC/IWC - and why Vacheron is or isnt Holy trinity.
Yes they do have some good hard to get pieces and i like them but they are so overtly telling us to bundle it is off putting. So go ahead and keep raising prices and see how it goes. In a good market it could be ok but in a regular market if the price or bundle in a way that makes them less competitive to Rolex/AP/Patek/Journe - they will continue to struggle. |
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ALS is almost all dress watches. The problem isn't about "hype" or not. It's just that they aren't sports watches. As well almost every watch is made in precious metal and not steel. |
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Most people I know that own ALS already have a few Pateks. So if you don't have either one, then better to get a Patek first.
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Agree with this. I think it depends on why you are buying a watch. There are not nearly as many Pateks that I like compared to Lange watches that I like. And when you compare what you get for the money, Lange is a clear winner there for me. I have 2 Langes (and intend to pick up one more), and 0 Pateks (and will probably stay that way).
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