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I had the same experience
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So how come all of a sudden a brand expects engagement and all the other requirements you just listed? If you work for Journe that kind of stuff has to be so so so so tiresome so keep track of. I also can't imagine anyone reading a whole essay, who has time or the brainpower for that? They are toying with people. |
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I think people have to stop taking it so personally. They didn’t suddenly lose interest In YOu. There’s just more people spending more money that are ahead of the que. That’s not a new concept is it? It’s a luxury time piece we’re talking about and not something we all are entitled to. It’s just the way the world works, surely people understand that.
And before people think I’m being a d*** I’ve spent about 350k UsD at Journe and have never ever been invited to a single event, never met FPj either. Never received a discount nor any special deals. I ust turn up, buy the watch and leave. I couldn’t care less if Journe is an unfriendly tw*t. I just like his watches that’s it.
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FP Journe Waitlist
They manufacture 800 units per year.
Let that sink in. Supply versus demand. I don’t think the amount of money you spend with Journe matters as much as your intent and time spent. The buying experience is different than all the majors. They control the means of distribution and the supply. When I see stories like the one that was out recently in YT about François-Paul’s behavior at a dinner party I kind of chuckle to myself. Like this brand has enough clout to start a rumor mill. Last edited by jessiethe3rd; 22 December 2023 at 11:31 PM.. Reason: Add more detail |
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Patek production is over 55k per year, according to several people in the industry I've spoken to.
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It is a feature of every independent these days. Having money is not enough. Nothing wrong with that. Times will change, that would be opportunity for these who could not get watches this cycle. Most people who go for Journe have plenty of watches to enjoy, do that in the meantime…
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Agree with another member that Voutilainen is more straight forward to deal with. But extreme patience is needed. :-) |
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That’s the problem with Journe they don’t want my money they want my time and that’s far more valuable.
Regardless I allocated myself two FPJ this year without the help of the boutique staff lol I’ll keep my time thanks.
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I think he's inferring to buy in the second hand market. I agree with this as well and did the same as my time is far more valuable than trying to buy my way into the family.
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The magic of $$$ I personally actually enjoy the trip to the boutique every 1-2 month even though it involves a plane trip. It was fun to chat watches and most of the time I would run into some whale class collectors. They always have some amazing pieces to show. |
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Reading all these posts really makes me appreciate getting an allocation within 18 months.
The probability of getting a CO anytime in the near future is extremely unlikely based on all the stories. I think it may be easier to get one in the secondary market. About 6 months ago, I was offered a 40 mm older Co in Platinum for 15K over MSRP from a reputable seller. Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk |
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I feel the same way about the experience. You meet fantastic collectors and see extraordinary watches. Maybe you pick up a book. You learn something new. Pick up a new strap at the boutique. Share a glass of wine with another collector. Enjoy learning about others' journeys. Get to know some of the boutique team. Maybe François-Paul himself, if you are lucky. One’s journey with FP Journe. I acquired my CB from the boutique because of my budget, and at the time, retail was what I could afford. Now, yes, with the CO, I can buy it on the secondary market. But would I appreciate the watch? Would I learn as much as I have by waiting? Will I love the piece as much? Yes, there’s some human nature at play here in the pursuit of an FP Journe piece. I am enjoying the process. The opportunity to learn from others. The humility of desire. It's a process that may be less accessible for many. Attention is not cheap. In this age of YouTube and Instagram, many grow frustrated with FP Journe. Many may be just too poor to pay the attention necessary. That’s fine. I’d prefer they didn’t clog the allotment. Prices on the secondary drive up the value of the brand. Indeed, cash is king and time is truly divine. |
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Let me tell you. Im on the list for the elegante for 4 years. Nothing. Let alone thr havana Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Waiting for a DN
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Folks, any idea what is the current RRP on the Chrono Souverain in Platinum? Thank you.
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Prices are showing in US$ for me when I click on that link.
I compared the price of the watch I bought this year to the prices listed, and the difference is 6%. Which leads me to conclude that those prices don’t account for the January 2024 price increase. |
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It seems like the website geotags us and presents currency converted prices localised to our region. Gives me a decent idea on the retail prices anyhow. Thank you.
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