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1 June 2022, 04:20 AM | #91 |
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I have an appointment tomorrow at 3pm
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1 June 2022, 04:35 AM | #92 |
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Btw, i bought today the new Tudor 58 in blue at the Paris AD. Very nice watch to wear.
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Getting excited!
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Good luck in getting any sleep. WOW this has me Sleepless Good luck Eric hope it works out. Either way, it is a beauty and what a pleasure to wear. The best of luck to you
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1 June 2022, 10:34 PM | #97 |
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I just came from the Heritage Department and their technician took the watch for close inspection. After which he informed me that they will accept my watch for a thorough inspection and a service quote. I informed him that i only want a movement overhaul and not to do anything with the cosmetic appearance of the watch. I inquired about the dial and he said they don’t have a silver on their data base so mine could be a special order. He added that he will not accept the watch for a quotation if he sees any part that is counterfeit. Quotation will be emailed in 2 weeks.
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That's unfortunate, "could be a special order" is not a very strong endorsement. Since you are already leaving the watch with them, I think it would be greatly preferable to have an actual letter of authentication for the dial from Rolex, even if there is an extra charge for the research.
The notion that it is "authentic by default" if they accept it for service will always leave uncertainty, because we know of many examples of watches with questionable parts that have been serviced by Rolex. Personally, if I were a potential buyer, I would not accept the fact that it had been serviced by Rolex as equivalent to an authentication.
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What would worry me more is the claim that a "quotation will be emailed in 2 weeks". Based on my experience, this seems by far too short to perform an extensive inspection of such a special watch, which would take at least about 2 months in Geneva. What is very good is the customer request, i.e. the list of things Rolex should NOT touch or do. This is very important. |
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While perhaps not definitive proof of complete authenticity, the fact that they have accepted the watch for service is at a minimum a very good sign for Eric. |
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As long as there are buyers like you who would trust the service as equivalent to an authentication, then I guess it is good enough.
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They have not yet accepted the watch for service! An expert will very carefully and in all detail inspect the watch. Only if everything is authentic then Rolex HQ will provide a service quote. |
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The problem with Rolex is they don’t issue extract of archives or authentication letters because i inquired about. Accepting the watch for servicing or restoration is more than enough for them to tell you ( but not in writing ) that the watch is original. I guess it gives them an “ escape clause “ just in case they need it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I am sure it will take them a few months for a quotation. My other watch took them 8 months to come up with a quotation! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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That is the process. Someone first inspect the watch and if he is satisfied, he will accept it for a service quote where they will do a more diligent check of every part of the watch. Once it passes the stringent inspection, they will then issue a service quote. So I will just have to wait for a bit more i guess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If you are referring to me, I find your comment offensive and inappropriate. I was simply expressing my own personal opinion about the relative value of a Rolex service vs. written authentication, and subsequently noting that if potential buyers find the Rolex service sufficient, then it is de facto sufficient. You and others may agree or disagree (as Eric and Aaron did). However, there is no question that it's preferable to express your own opinion without denigrating the opinions of other, and it's certainly not appropriate to call people names simply because they expressed an opinion.
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I have a Tiffany branded GMT 1675/3 that my father purchased new from Tiffany in the early 1970s. My father told me straight out that he threw away the box and all the other stuff almost immediately after purchase. I don't have a receipt, nor do the previous services on this watch mention Tiffany & Co. dial. At one point two years ago I was considering having the watch serviced by Rolex. They required "authentication" prior to service and sent it out for a month to their Lititiz, PA facility. It came back with a service estimate with required and optional services, again with no mention of the Tiffany stamp. They don't describe the dial I was told. The service estimate, while fine for many Rolex collectors or buyers to authenticate the watch as all Rolex parts, I have found is still not acceptable for the more critical collectors. Regardless of the authentication by Rolex or the service estimate, avid collectors would still see the watch dial as potentially fake because I do not have the receipt from Tiffany. I thought the authentication would help with the provenance of the watch, and that is the case for many but not all. There will always be a nagging doubt of authenticity from many hardcore collectors. It is what it is… and you taking offense to the comments is not warranted IMHO. Still, this is a very interesting thread on an obviously rare watch and I will continue to follow this thread with high hopes that Eric's watch passes Geneva HQ's stringent examination. That said, I find it highly unlikely definitive proof will ever be given by Rolex. They just don't do that. |
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I hope they dont include a new dial in their quote... That could be a bad sign. You wouldn't know if its due to it being too old or because they claim it as Aftermarket. That's what RSC does, maybe Geneva is different.
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My 1963 GMT 1675 with Silver Dial?
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Even if they would propose a new dial then the OP can and should refuse it. If they judge the dial to be fake or aftermarket then the OP would not receive a service offer but a different type of letter ... I sincerely hope that all is right with this beautiful dial and the entire watch. I went through that process several times and know that the waiting time can be very long and painful. |
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Yes, I received your answer (post #102) to me as an arrogant reply. If that was not intended from your side then I accept your explanations and propose to support this very interesting thread together in a friendly approach, with mutual respect.
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My 1963 GMT 1675 with Silver Dial?
If the dial is authentic I think Rolex Geneva can propose but not force you to change the dial. But if they would identify any other issue (e.g. Radium as lume) then the situation could become a bit difficult.
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2 June 2022, 05:01 AM | #115 |
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For me its a risk worth taking because if i don’t do it, there will always be that nagging feeling inside me about the real provenance of the dial. If Rolex finally sends me a quotation, that is more than enough for me to put the issue to rest.
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Good news! The first major hurdle is cleared!! ps I'd also include "Do not replace date disc" on that list just to be on the safe side, we all know how eager Rolex is to make "improvements" during service!!
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2 June 2022, 06:24 PM | #118 |
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We were not allowed to take pictures too but my staff was able to sneak a few pics and videos.
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I follow with interest and wish Erpin good luck.
I wonder how Rolex would treat a genuine dial plate that had been restored or repainted? For example, one might consider a military “Burford” dial A/6538 or 5512. Insta : haywood_milton_rolex
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Which major hurdle are you referring to David?
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