41mm Submariner Date - $19,000...

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

Bracelet looks terrible on the fifty fathoms. Might be better quality, maybe even technically better, but nobody has figured out the sport bracelet like Rolex. Not blancpain, omega, patek, vacheron..none of them.

Rubbish . Overseas bracelet is better than oyster in both finish and function. Way better in finish actually. No enormous clasp (none visible whatsoever) and has a more useful hidden adjustment on both sides vs an inch of travel that 99% never use over a wetsuit. Being able to swap metal for rubber in 5 seconds is also very useful. I have owned several of both and see no reason to rank oyster over overseas.

Oyster is a little better finished than planet ocean but functionally not as useful with the oyster requiring complete removal of the watch to adjust.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by gccmd

I’m in the camp of no bubbles last forever. History always repeats itself and people never learn from it. No one can predict when but this era of mass produced watches selling for many multiples above MSRP will eventually end. I have never and never will pay above MSRP.

I agree, this won’t last forever, and if choose to never pay over retail more power to you. I haven’t myself either but that is mostly due to a great relationship with an AD and just plain luck. The question that no one know the answer to, as you stated, is WHEN will this end? When will you be able to walk in to any AD, see a choice of SS sport models and others available at MSRP? WHEN will you be able to purchase BELOW MSRP from a Gray? You admit we don’t know the answer, and it could be several years. If someone has the means, and is comfortable paying a high price instead of depriving themself of a treasured timepiece for (possibly) several years then more power to THEM. I wouldn’t pay that much for a 126610 either, but it is not my choice or me wearing it. Think of the people paying 30,40,50K for an 11500. I agree, it seems ridiculous, but if someone wants one bad enough and has the finances then good for them.

[Rolextellstime]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Blancpain Fifty Fathoms.
Better quality by far.

I agree 100%

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[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Rubbish . Overseas bracelet is better than oyster in both finish and function. Way better in finish actually. No enormous clasp (none visible whatsoever) and has a more useful hidden adjustment on both sides vs an inch of travel that 99% never use over a wetsuit. Being able to swap metal for rubber in 5 seconds is also very useful. I have owned several of both and see no reason to rank oyster over overseas.

Oyster is a little better finished than planet ocean but functionally not as useful with the oyster requiring complete removal of the watch to adjust.

The overseas bracelet look is not great IMO. I thought the overseas was really comfortable but that design looks strange to me. The bracelet swap thing is interesting. You might be right. If you're looking for something versatile, the sub bracelet is probably not the answer as you need tools to go from bracelet to rubber.

I totally agree on the inch of travel and Rolex clasp size, that does seem absurd. I could probably deal with an ez link on every Rolex vs a huge clasp with 6 different positions.

I am with you on the Omega adjustment while on the wrist. I enjoyed that very much on my 2254.50 when I swapped the clasp. That watch had a really good looking bracelet. Modern omega bracelets, not a fan. The polished stainless and the way it breaks up the links is too busy. But for some, the Rolex bracelet might be too plain.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Blancpain Fifty Fathoms.
Better quality by far.

Seriously? A few years back I seriously looked into the BFF but handling one for a few minutes and with a significant discount offered, I handed it back. I would have gone Omega as a alternative to the BFF for the about the same price point.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Seriously? A few years back I seriously looked into the BFF but handling one for a few minutes and with a significant discount offered, I handed it back. I would have gone Omega as a alternative to the BFF for the about the same price point.

Yes, seriously.
You personally may like Rolex, Omega ... better (which is totally acceptable for me) but the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms watch quality is superior.

Addition: it's probably the wrong thread for a watch brand comparison? And as soon as the 32xx movement comes into play, then Rolex no longer has a chance.

[bob sims]

Originally Posted by stockae92

Am I the only one who thinks $19k is a lot of money for a Sub Date? Maybe cause I am just not wealthy enough ... LOL

Not the only one. For that kind of money it best have some GOLD.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Yes, seriously.
You personally may like Rolex, Omega ... better (which is totally acceptable for me) but the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms watch quality is superior

I am no fanboy to any brand as I have owned a lot of brands over the years but under the family tree of Swatch, it feels Omega gets more of a premium budget to develop and execute a higher end mass product. It’s common knowledge under the Swatch company that it is very doggy dog within the Swatch family group to justify and position each brands hierarchy and where each brand fits in under the company. The reality is as horological significant the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms was, it’s fighting a lot of brands as a more accessible alternative to the Rolex Submariner.

[saxo3]

Good talk bro ;-)

[tmoy810]

What about the Glashutte Original SeaQ?

[sski]

Blancpain FF's biggest handicap is that the standard config gets you only a sailcloth strap! Inexcusable imo. At that price point it should have included both a bracelet and the strap! I looked hard at the FF before pulling the trigger on Sub41

[Mick006]

You can pick up a 116600 for unde 19k. I’d prefer that to a 41mm sub.

I’m not moved by omega or blancpain. I appreciate blancpain’s history, but would rather have a BB58.

There’s a reason (other than hype) that ppl are paying these premiums for a sub. Subs aren’t the Instagram darlings the Daytona, gmts are. Sometimes a watch just sings to you. Or in this case sings to a lot of ppl.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Mick006

You can pick up a 116600 for unde 19k. I’d prefer that to a 41mm sub.

I’m not moved by omega or blancpain. I appreciate blancpain’s history, but would rather have a BB58.

There’s a reason (other than hype) that ppl are paying these premiums for a sub. Subs aren’t the Instagram darlings the Daytona, gmts are. Sometimes a watch just sings to you. Or in this case sings to a lot of ppl.

I feel like hype has certainly added to the fuel of the submariner. But, that was sort of the watch that guys bought. Either a work milestone, life milestone or just getting to a place where you can finally get a nice watch. I have a small sample size but it sure seems like every single guy i see walking into the golf course that wears a Rolex, is wearing a sub. The ones i know, if they are wearing another Rolex, they own a sub. For a long time, it was a really great everyday watch that works with a suit, shorts and a tee, or bathing suit.

Now, it’s weird. Now we have a lot of people waiting that will never be able to get one, and they are forced to pay whatever the market dictates (17-18k). I have a few buddies in that spot and when they ask how long, i just shrug. Maybe a year, probably never.

Honestly, if the BB58 had a date, i would wear it everyday and likely not wear the sub much. I’m still shocked the price hasn’t skyrocketed. If it had a Rolex crown it would be 3x retail IMO.

[Maxtor]

Nothing goes up forever. Remember the tulips.

[CarlOver]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

I feel like hype has certainly added to the fuel of the submariner. But, that was sort of the watch that guys bought. Either a work milestone, life milestone or just getting to a place where you can finally get a nice watch. I have a small sample size but it sure seems like every single guy i see walking into the golf course that wears a Rolex, is wearing a sub. The ones i know, if they are wearing another Rolex, they own a sub. For a long time, it was a really great everyday watch that works with a suit, shorts and a tee, or bathing suit.

Now, it’s weird. Now we have a lot of people waiting that will never be able to get one, and they are forced to pay whatever the market dictates (17-18k). I have a few buddies in that spot and when they ask how long, i just shrug. Maybe a year, probably never.

Honestly, if the BB58 had a date, i would wear it everyday and likely not wear the sub much. I’m still shocked the price hasn’t skyrocketed. If it had a Rolex crown it would be 3x retail IMO.

Many great points have been made. It’s great to see the same situation from differing perspectives.

No one is forced to buy….unless it’s the unrelenting voices in your head.

[Mick006]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

I feel like hype has certainly added to the fuel of the submariner. But, that was sort of the watch that guys bought. Either a work milestone, life milestone or just getting to a place where you can finally get a nice watch. I have a small sample size but it sure seems like every single guy i see walking into the golf course that wears a Rolex, is wearing a sub. The ones i know, if they are wearing another Rolex, they own a sub. For a long time, it was a really great everyday watch that works with a suit, shorts and a tee, or bathing suit.

Now, it’s weird. Now we have a lot of people waiting that will never be able to get one, and they are forced to pay whatever the market dictates (17-18k). I have a few buddies in that spot and when they ask how long, i just shrug. Maybe a year, probably never.

Honestly, if the BB58 had a date, i would wear it everyday and likely not wear the sub much. I’m still shocked the price hasn’t skyrocketed. If it had a Rolex crown it would be 3x retail IMO.

Agree with this. SubC date was my first Rolex. I really don’t know why I was drawn to it. I didn’t know much about the hobby at the time, I just liked it. This was when you could basically get anything in the case, save a Daytona.

I feel bad for the hobby. I’ve basically moved on from Rolex. But the problem persists with PP, AP, VC, and others.

[CarlOver]

Originally Posted by TexEd

Folks bitch about how much Rolex watches have gone up in price over the years. Statistics show the Land Cruiser has appreciated 748% during the last 15 years.

Which Land Cruiser?

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by sski

Blancpain FF's biggest handicap is that the standard config gets you only a sailcloth strap! Inexcusable imo. At that price point it should have included both a bracelet and the strap! I looked hard at the FF before pulling the trigger on Sub41

At least Rolex doesn't just send you off with just a rubber strap!!!!....oh wait.

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[sski]

Originally Posted by tmoy810

What about the Glashutte Original SeaQ?

Nah

while im sure technically it's a good watch, it doesn't stir emotions like a Sub, SD.

[TheVision]

Hmm..I'm on the waitlist since Sep and stopped by my AD today. He's got 11 display models now inc the sub, polar exp2, blue daytona and blue DJ41.

He did mention that they've started fulfilling waitlist orders now and he promised me that he'll have "something for me" by July. This is on par with what he had quoted me when I had signed up last Sep ...6-12 months waitlist.

BTW, new 41mm sub is a great piece. The online pictures dont do justice as in real life, the black dial is deep jet black and the white gold hour accents/hands just pop like diamonds. I joked with the AD that I should just make a run with the display model and he was like "well...we lock the door from the inside during Rolex sales..lol".

[sski]

Originally Posted by zengineer

At least Rolex doesn't just send you off with just a rubber strap!!!!....oh wait.

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lol yep. i wish Rolex would give strap options like Omega, VC etc.
Imagine if the Oysterflex were available to buy separately as an option; i really hope this is in the cards for the future.

[tmoy810]

Originally Posted by TheVision

Hmm..I'm on the waitlist since Sep and stopped by my AD today. He's got 11 display models now inc the sub, polar exp2, blue daytona and blue DJ41.

He did mention that they've started fulfilling waitlist orders now and he promised me that he'll have "something for me" by July. This is on par with what he had quoted me when I had signed up last Sep ...6-12 months waitlist.

BTW, new 41mm sub is a great piece. The online pictures dont do justice as in real life, the black dial is deep jet black and the white gold hour accents/hands just pop like diamonds. I joked with the AD that I should just make a run with the display model and he was like "well...we lock the door from the inside during Rolex sales..lol".

I’ve seen a few people mention white gold blue dial Daytonas being part of the exhibition sets.

Wonder if this means the tides are turning on availability.

I’d sure hope so.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Yeah but does it have a clock?

Digital

[Eric88]

Such an interesting time. I remember buying my first SubC, the 116610LN, within the first year of its release, lightly used, for about $6800. I wore it for a year and then sold it for what I paid for it. Soon thereafter, I bought another one for about $6500 and repeated the process...then I got a 114060 for $5,800 and kept that one for about five years and so forth.

Somewhere along the way, I had a neato modified 116610LN that LAWW had done - it was a plain crystal with no cyclops, the lugs were chamfered, and it had a unique bracelet. This was yet another one that came and went from my hands within the $6,000-7,500 range, back in the mid-'10s.

I have these things in older threads and it's fascinating to see them. "FS: Rolex Submariner 116610LN Excellent Condition $5,750" and similar. How things have changed.

I'll never forget when I first started buying, selling, trading vintage and all of my 1680s and 1675s were in the $3,500-5,000 range. So crazy.

$19,000 for a current model Submariner seems ridiculous. But normal. I've been seriously wanting a 41mm Sub and I am still just so conflicted by what it takes unless one has the right luck/history/connections at an AD.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

I know them well but yes we cannot get them.

Would love a 78 series troopy or a 76 wagon. We got the 40,60,80,100, and 200 but never the 70 series (chicken tax here in US).

Have a built up TRD 4Runner but would like to add a late model 200 series before they become too absurd. Hell here the Land Cruiser market is no different than the Rolex one. 2019 Land Cruiser with 10k on it is selling at $100k, they were +/- $80k new...

Scarce .Land cruisers 300 series brand new sells at a 10% premium over here .
Outgoing 200 series used ,low kilos ,more than the list price .
Much like Rolex.

[JDA0779]

Great call mate !! Three years back i was in the same boat and started collecting money to buy a Black Sub. Dubai is super insane as to get a basic watch from Rolex is next to impossible due to ultra net worth high spenders here to take up all the sports models !!
I ending up saving enough and pulled the trigger on the Pepsi Jubilee and paid the market price. one of my best calls ever. Pepsi in Dubai needs 1 mill dhms or 400k usd purschase approx to get one !! so i paid 18/19 k usd for the Pepsi then.

So for some folks its worth it.

[Bizcut1]

Blancpain over the sub!





Good one!

Ben

[Slambonie]

highway robbery

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Blancpain over the sub!





Good one!

Ben

Of course a Rolex Submariner is iconic and remains always THE BEST for the crown searching herd on any social media platform.

[georgekart]

Rolex makes some great watches. And perhaps at retail they are even slightly undervalued. At current market values... No way. Especially the sport models. Too overvalued. When one can pick up a JLC Polaris and a Datejust at a price of a Sub... hard to justify the Sub.