Reaction to new releases

[padi56]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Overall, I agree with you PADI, although there are some exceptions, like the SkyDweller about eight years ago, and maybe the YM II, but you are right, Rolex needs to be a lot more innovative.

Agree you can count on one hand the totally new models introduced by Rolex over the past 20 odd years .But today you only got to change a bracelet a few screws, colour insert etc to declare a new watch.Wonder how long will we have to wait for the Mk1, Mk2 colour or font stuff to kick in.As for introduction for these so called new models to arrive at the ADs well the pandemic made a mess of that.But seeing there is very little difference between these so called new models and the old ones, delivery times could be short just weeks or at best a few months.Myself quite happy with my 5 series watches all now plus 20 years old and expect they will be still ticking when my ticker stops.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by phez

Check out Rolex web site, several images show the new Blusey with a gold crown.

Well the old TT blue dial Sub had one too.

[DonRickles]

Originally Posted by beshannon

A new version of something that you cannot buy, it would be funny if it was not so sad.

Actually, my SA told me 30 days, this was yesterday afternoon when I was sent the photos of the new releases, before they were discovered on the website!

[garyk]

I have enjoyed wearing Rolex watches for over 40 years. I am excited for these new products and I will continue enjoying my current and future Rolex watches. Great company!!

[Gerardus]

Originally Posted by Heff

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THIS

[Heady Topper]

Originally Posted by sutats

I like that Rolex has improved the overall form of the watch case with the bracelet in regards to the Submariner models. I always felt that the the maxi cases were somewhat disproportionately large in relation to their bracelets so the slimming of the lugs and the widening of the bracelet should provide improved comfort if not visually. Additionally, the new time only 3230 movement cased with the 124060 has the greatly welcomed feature of having a lengthy 70 hours of maximum power reserve capacity.

Other than those very fine details, it's been a pedestrian release for ther other references. Now I'm looking to what Tudor will release in its traditional October/November model announcement cycle.

Agreed, the proportions are quite nice, but would've been nice at 40mm/20mm. Any word anywhere on L2L distance?

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[crazymcmichael]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Old vs New

Absolutely a big difference !!

[Rags]

I think the 41mm Sub is ok but I'll stick with my 16610. The eliminating of the white & black 39mm OP was bad IMO. I think it was done because it was cutting in on the Explorer sales. I know some don't like the double batons on the new OP's but I like them, something different however some of the colors are terrible, I really like the blue OP.

[zjd168]

Originally Posted by padi56

Agree you can count on one hand the totally new models introduced by Rolex over the past 20 odd years .But today you only got to change a bracelet a few screws, colour insert etc to declare a new watch.Wonder how long will we have to wait for the Mk1, Mk2 colour or font stuff to kick in.As for introduction for these so called new models to arrive at the ADs well the pandemic made a mess of that.But seeing there is very little difference between these so called new models and the old ones, delivery times could be short just weeks or at best a few months.Myself quite happy with my 5 series watches all now plus 20 years old and expect they will be still ticking when my ticker stops.

Rolex did try, but the market's reaction to SkyD, cellini and YM II have been lukewarm at best, with the exception of the SS version of SkyD.

[GONZO2LR]

its like showing candy that you cant eat....

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by Onikage

It's glaringly obvious from the images. The new one is basically a 5 digit with ceramic bezel. The only carryover from the previous maxicase is the crownguards. Even the purported larger size seems to be wrong. It's still a 40mm watch. If there is any increase in size it is fractions of a mm.

No, the lugs look slightly thinner with the wider bracelet giving the illusion of them being even thinner.

[Bladeshot]

I like the proportions of the new case. The millimeter doesn’t bother me. I do think this style looks better than the super case.

Not much for me. I don’t wear green; literally, ever. If I did, I’d have bought a 116610LV. My 50th did not stick around, probably for the same reason.

Was looking forward to the opportunity to consider a new version of the 116619.

Need to think a while on how much I like the blue bezel. I like it; but how much? Definitely need to see it in person.

Cheers.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by skydwellerdan

Bigger isn't always better, 41mm OP? I personally thought 39mm was on the large side and I'm used to wearing Daytona's and Sub's. What happened to being refined and understated?

This!

[nighthawk77]

Subs - Case profile of the new Subs looks nice, but it's only a minimal change and hardly noticeable unless comparing side by side. Not enough to make me want to trade my 116610 anyway...I think it's a shame the case and bracelet have both increased in size, as I think a 40mm diver on a 20mm bracelet is a great size. I also think it's a shame that the Hulk and Smurf have been replaced with black dial counterparts which are a little uninspiring by comparison. I think the new 'Cermit' also undermines the Kermit anniversary model to a degree.

I'd have kept the case at 40mm, slimmed the lugs, bracelet remains at 20mm. New movement, keep the Hulk and add a SS blue version of some description.

Oyster Perpetuals - The silver and blue dials look nice and are now available in the larger offerings for the OPs rather than the smaller sizes as previously found. The addition of the Easylink across the board is a welcomed upgrade too. The move from 39mm to 41mm seems unnecessary, as does the inclusion of double batons. Some of the colours appear too bold on screen, cartoonish and I'm surprised they have been released given the normal conservative approach Rolex usually take. It's a real shame the white colour offering has been discontinued as this was a very popular model and for good reason too.

DJ & SkyD - not much to say here, I like the green dial added to the ladies DJ and I guess the OF on the SkyD offers a little more versatility for those who want it.

Launch - I think the most exciting aspect of the launch was how Rolex approached it's launch of new releases this year. With the pandemic and cancellation of Basel this was the first time I have seen so many new models from a single brand at the same time. It was entertaining last night browsing the forums, reading press releases, and checking in on the Rolex.com website to view and learn more about the new releases.

I hope a similar format is used again in the future, but think this could be improved with some form of live or pre-recorded video to accompany and introduce the new models. I think there often feels like there is a disconnect between Rolex and the customer, and this can often be made worse by the fact most of us have to deal with a middleman in the form of an AD. A spokesperson for Rolex introducing the models would therefore be a nice touch. Equally, some sort of featurette showing the watch in use would be cool - in this instance I think the Sub being used for some sort diving or ocean based sports/activities whilst giving us an overview of the features would be a cool introduction of a new model

[TheDude]

Go measure 1mm and tell me why anyone would make noise about the increase ruining things. If anything they fixed (yes FIXED) the modern sub case and it’s finally elegant and reasonable again.


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[BroncoOne]

I'd have to put the new sub on my wrist to see if it actually wears any larger. My guess is no due to slightly reduced lug width and slightly reduced case thickness.

WIS aside, 99.999% of people would be able to tell the difference between the two anyway.

[RTG]

I think they did a great job on the updated Subs. Great job Rolex! Can't wait to try one on.

[Bertroex]

For one thing, the new releases seem to feed the UK grey market. A submariner “Hulk” was 13k sterling on monday morning, then 14950 by monday night and now 20 000 sterling!

“no longer produced! rare!”


I also wonder if the 41mm sub becomes really too big for our women to wear. So many are rightfully looking really attractive wearing a sub or GMT.....

Take care,

Bert

[Maiden]

Originally Posted by Xenon

The 5 digit was perfect. The 6 digit was a reaction to the big watch craze. The 2020 Sub proves that the proportions on the 6 digit Sub were a mistake. Rolex listened to 5 digit owners without alienating lovers of big watches. The 6 digit Subs are the only Subs that look proportionately different than the others and will one day be relegated to the dustbin of obscurity just like the Daydate II and the Datejust II.

[franktehtank]

I think the new sub is a fantastic one. It won't make me rush out and replace my 114060, but if I didn't have one already I'd be perfectly happy with a new one.

I'd rather a boring new submariner than one where Rolex completely goofs up the whole lineup. Also glad that twinlock/triplock typo seems to have been sorted out, website says triplock now.

41mm case is a fine size with the refined lugs. I can't imagine anyone who could wear the 40mm won't be able to wear the new 41mm.

The Cermit, while a weak creative move by Rolex, is nice to have back in the lineup. It looks great.

The blueberry is the only one I'm not crazy about, but I've never been crazy about the blue bezel/black dial look. Except maybe on the batman where it's broken up with the black portion.

The classic submariner lives on!

As for some of those new OP dials... I'll reserve final judgement until I see them, but initial reaction is that most are truly ghastly.

[lord91]

Originally Posted by nighthawk77

Subs - Case profile of the new Subs looks nice, but it's only a minimal change and hardly noticeable unless comparing side by side. Not enough to make me want to trade my 116610 anyway...I think it's a shame the case and bracelet have both increased in size, as I think a 40mm diver on a 20mm bracelet is a great size. I also think it's a shame that the Hulk and Smurf have been replaced with black dial counterparts which are a little uninspiring by comparison. I think the new 'Cermit' also undermines the Kermit anniversary model to a degree.

I'd have kept the case at 40mm, slimmed the lugs, bracelet remains at 20mm. New movement, keep the Hulk and add a SS blue version of some description.

Oyster Perpetuals - The silver and blue dials look nice and are now available in the larger offerings for the OPs rather than the smaller sizes as previously found. The addition of the Easylink across the board is a welcomed upgrade too. The move from 39mm to 41mm seems unnecessary, as does the inclusion of double batons. Some of the colours appear too bold on screen, cartoonish and I'm surprised they have been released given the normal conservative approach Rolex usually take. It's a real shame the white colour offering has been discontinued as this was a very popular model and for good reason too.

This would also be my take on the new releases, adding just a couple of things:

I would add what to me is a dissapointment with the new TT LB and YG LB, that they ditched the gold minute markers and font for white paint . That was such a nice detail that worked so well with colour scheme of the watches.

The new flat Rolex green is also a nice colour for the OP.

What i am curious about, are the measurements of these new 41 watches. Are they really 41 or just like the DJ 41? L2L, thickness, width compared to the older ones.

[Maiden]

Originally Posted by Onikage

It's glaringly obvious from the images. The new one is basically a 5 digit with ceramic bezel. The only carryover from the previous maxicase is the crownguards. Even the purported larger size seems to be wrong. It's still a 40mm watch. If there is any increase in size it is fractions of a mm.

As the owner of a five digit and and six digit sub (adore both) I couldn't disagree more. This release was way more maxi case than five digit. Same slab sides on both watches. The classic five digit proportions are no where to be seen on this model IMO. A wider bracelet is simply that, a wider bracelet that changes perception. Rolex had an opportunity to return us to a five digit case with all the upgrades of the six digits (plus new movement) and they chose not to.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by beshannon

A new version of something that you cannot buy, it would be funny if it was not so sad.

I laugh to hide the tears

[lord91]

Originally Posted by Maiden

As the owner of a five digit and and six digit sub (adore both) I couldn't disagree more. This release was way more maxi case than five digit. Same slab sides on both watches. The classic five digit proportions are no where to be seen on this model IMO. A wider bracelet is simply that, a wider bracelet that changes perception. Rolex had an opportunity to return us to a five digit case with all the upgrades of the six digits (plus new movement) and they chose not to.

Very true. Unfortunately, many of those who disliked the maxi case and now like the new tapered lugs of the new gen, don't realise that this isn't at all a 5 digit reincarnation. The new 12 is barely just as big as the 11 series, with a larger bracelet, wait till you see it side by side with a 5 digit.

[Dr. Robert]

As Michael Corleone may have said to Fredo Corleone: Rolex, you are dead to me now.....you broke my heart.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Heff

That sums it up. Not bad, not mind-blowing. I like the blue ceramic Sub, yet plain black dial and white gold only high price.... bummer.

[jj312]

Originally Posted by BroncoOne

I'd have to put the new sub on my wrist to see if it actually wears any larger. My guess is no due to slightly reduced lug width and slightly reduced case thickness.

WIS aside, 99.999% of people would be able to tell the difference between the two anyway.

Wat?? Lug width is increased from 20mm to 21mm on this new sub.

[Blansky]

Ho Hum.

Not available anyways.

[faimag]

I think they did an ok job given the circumstances. Not sure what most people expected to see... I actually prefer the 41 version of the sub with the apparently slimmer lugs than the "now previous generation" 6-digit watches. Of course still nowhere near my love for the 5-digits. The SD on OF is also quite interesting.

[imsayingthough]

more change then i was expecting, sad about the hulk but i expected it. if i can get the new LV great, if i cant oh well.