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18 October 2021, 11:23 PM | #92 |
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That’s what I feel even for the current Datograph with the up/down. The dial becomes a little busy. The original 39mm was the best IMHO. Clean and simple.
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19 October 2021, 12:38 AM | #93 |
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I think the appeal of the Datograph over the 1815 is its historic significance, but I find the 1815 Chronograph more aesthetically appealing with the dial and proportion.
I had inquired about the 1815 chrono boutique last week and the rep said you didn't need to have purchase history to be allocated this piece, but at least the one nearest to me (Houston) is estimating a minimum 1 year wait for it. |
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19 October 2021, 05:36 AM | #95 |
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No they didn't count that I had a Lange 1 in my collection since I bought it 2nd hand. For pieces that need purchase history, they care about your name as the original buyer. When they checked to be sure, they said I could buy it once available.
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19 October 2021, 07:24 AM | #96 |
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The baseplate should be completed finished at least. Moreover, it is interesting to see this kind of baseplate only used for some fundamental model like 1815. And, they do whole finishing in some “more expensive” collections. Yes, I am a critical guy and that is why i am working with Kari for my Vingt8. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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What’s also incorrect is that this is any different from say a Datograph. If you open that up, the gear recesses on the main plate will look exactly the same, it also has sandblasted finish under its main geartrain. The perlage as a base is on the contact surfaces, to have a flat basis (in that, it is functional) and on the Dato, you’ll find some on the 3/4 plate too, under the levers and gears of the chronograph, but one floor below, under the gears of the main plate, the recesses are sandblasted just like on the simplest 1815. You can even kind of see that from the outside, when you look under the balance wheel. That’s just how Lange baseplates look. But you are of course free to have different aesthetic preferences and I congratulate you on the Vingt8, an amazing watch, and obviously, however good Lange finishing is, another level still.
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This is what unfinished looks like (and that’s exactly how Audemars Piguet will sell it to you). Bad enough that the supporting surfaces are just all scratched up from sanding them down, but I could live with that when they sit flush on other parts. The recesses with the nasty CNC marks however, now that’s another level of terrible. You’ll agree that that Lange plate looks nothing like this.
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I understand your points. Our argument focused on whether lange had the sandblasting on the part under the wheel. From the picture I post, I don’t think lange has done the sandblasting on that part and it looks like that that part is a direct result from CNC. I suppose the sandblasting should be like “frost gold”. Well, it might depend on different technique and skills. Like I said at the initial comment, I do like lange. The finishing is among the best and should be better than FPJourne. But “far” better is really a controversial word. Maybe far better than AP Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I don't know if it's easy to say one brand is "better" than the other since I bet both brands have some variability of finish across the product line and the styles are very different, all I'm saying is that Lange baseplate is not what I would call "unfinished". |
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That’s not entirely unfair. Pretty much everything in haute horlogerie is far better than AP :) If you want my comparison to FPJ, I’d refer you to my post on one of the last pages of the “why are online pages pushing FPJ” thread, which also resurfaced yesterday.
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FBJ for me, like their design language a lot more than ALS, but can’t really go wrong with either
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I don’t know the reason why only Lange has such preference? I don’t hate Lange. Let us be objective. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I have 3 Langes: Dato up/down, Zeitwerk Date, and Zeitwerk Striking Time
I have been looking for some time to get into the world of Journe. The Chronometre a Resonance and Chronometre Optimum are the ones I keep coming back to so often. If anyone has an idea of how the boutiques work (specifically NYC?), I would love to know the process they put you through before allowing you to so much as inquire about one of their pieces. I am aware Journe as a whole only produces <1000 watches a year so it is difficult to get one. The prices for some pieces I inquired about on Watchbox are all >$200k, so I am just curious if this is the norm or I can find something more reasonable if I have patience and get on a list, etc. Any thoughts are much appreciated! |
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I am no Journe expert but when I visited the NYC boutique the best I could get from them was we will put you on our mailing list and we want you to come to our collectors' meetings to get to know you more before we can put you on a waitlist. Given that I live in a different state and actually have a job, I have not been able to make it to any of their Tuesday 5pm collector meetings |
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The Chicago boutique is run by Burdeens. The guys there are very approachable and honest. I recommend speaking with Josh there and he will shoot straight. They can't do much about Lange's policies but he's not going to bullshit you at all.
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I actually think it's kinda a cool model, better than an AD asking you to slip them some cash some other way. I like it, I respect the time the boutiques are trying to put into vetting customers. If it were my brand and I could do that I would consider it... but as a customer it's not for me. If you don't want me to flip it, I'll sign a buyback right of first refusal, if you want to make sure I'm not going to show up on the local news wearing handcuffs and a new resonance I'll do a criminal background check, but I'm not going to pledge meetings for a mass produced luxury bauble. |
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I completely understand why they are doing that but they chose to cut all ADs going forward. As far as I know they only have a handful of boutiques in the US. What are people who do not live near a boutique supposed do to get their trust? It sounds unreasonable to expect people from different states to show up on a Tuesday afternoon to suck up to them to buy a watch. At least do it on the weekends. At the end of the day it’s just watches so no big deal but I don’t find it a reasonable model if you only have 4-5 sales point in the US. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Lol I keep getting invited to these and each time think “I work full time and live in a different state…. Why not 7p? Why not a weekend ?” But maybe they are targeting the level of wealth that no longer needs to work? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Pretty sure you can walk into the NYC FPJ boutique and order one of those watches without any problem, especially if you share your history with Lange. Then they'll know you're experienced and thoughtful when it comes to watches -- not just some random person. Then you wait for it, and you will eventually get it without having to play any games. And if you order more than one, then maybe your wait becomes shorter. Not sure if any of the staff changed in the past 6 months or so, but Michelle (manager) and William have been there forever. There was another guy there the last few times I visited (in the past year) -- can't remember his name -- who is newer and owns a Lange. He was great too. With a complicated watch like the Optimum or the Resonance, be prepared for some reliability issues and be pleasantly surprised if you experience years of problem-free functioning with regular wear. FPJ has gotten much better about reliability in recent years, so hopefully you'll be fine. He really does make beautiful watches with ingenious designs! |
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both tremendous brands, but I would only buy FP at msrp. |
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I think a lot of people don’t want to sacrifice a Saturday doing a watch happy hour as that time is reserved for the wife/family etc. Almost anyone local can sneak over for a cocktail midweek. I’ll admit it stinks as I’ll never make any of these events because my family takes priority and I’m 400 miles from the nearest boutique. There’s no question metropolitan and well off is the target market. Makes sense.
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