TS's Take on the Cubitus Release

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by so nice

No, he’s just a patekless hater like TS loves to talk about on the PR tour for his new “design”

I see you joined this great forum specially to talk Cubitus. Welcome.

[byow]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Because he’s completely crapping on anyone who disagrees with him saying they’re too poor to buy his watch. If you’re a new customer and the owner/president of the company says you’re a loser, would you really want to still buy from them?

Regarding the statement of fact. If your wife asks do I look fat, are you going to say yes you look like a whale? It’s a statement of fact! There’s a right way and wrong way to respond to people and his statement was not how you respond. If he said something like “We understand that new releases are always going to be controversial but ultimately it’s up to the market to decide” then less people wouldn’t have an issue with it. His response comes off as extremely arrogant and entitled coming from a nepo baby trying to prove that he’s not.

The article in French, which I read as well in Bilan does not state this. The article reports that TS said in French: « 99% de ces haters n’ont aucune Patek et n’en achèteront jamais », which means: 99% of these haters do not have any Patek and will not buy any ». TS is not referring to these « haters » being rich or poor. This is something that is not in the article.

[hgg43c]

This was an interesting article that i came across in the NY Times today thought I would share it. Even though the Cubitus is Pateks first new collection in 25 years - a British watchmaker already had a similar watch on the market at much cheaper price.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/s...smid=url-share

[ts3]

Originally Posted by hgg43c

This was an interesting article that i came across in the NY Times today thought I would share it. Even though the Cubitus is Pateks first new collection in 25 years - a British watchmaker already had a similar watch on the market at much cheaper price.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/s...smid=url-share

Hadn't known that one. The Farasute FS-010 is an older square Nautilus clone with a bit of Santos in the mix.

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005006191735387.html

[Roger Lococco]

This is a bit awkward …

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/s...smid=url-share


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[Rollieo]

Just read the article, it honestly seems fake. The interviewer questions seem incredibly aggressive and crude, and I just don’t see TS responding this way. I’ve seen multiple interviews of TS on video, and he’s a pretty classy guy.

[norcalgt3]

Originally Posted by Rollieo

Just read the article, it honestly seems fake. The interviewer questions seem incredibly aggressive and crude, and I just don’t see TS responding this way. I’ve seen multiple interviews of TS on video, and he’s a pretty classy guy.

Hm....decidedly not fake

[norcalgt3]

Originally Posted by Roger Lococco

This is a bit awkward …

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/27/s...smid=url-share


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But did they both copy Maen?

https://www.maenwatches.com/products...ttan-39-mhu-01

So generic looking

[Mighty_Kraken]

Originally Posted by Rollieo

Just read the article, it honestly seems fake. The interviewer questions seem incredibly aggressive and crude, and I just don’t see TS responding this way. I’ve seen multiple interviews of TS on video, and he’s a pretty classy guy.

Maybe you and Mr. Stern are just not used to real journalism?
I mean the toughest question watch media like Revolution or Hodinkee normally ask in interviews are like ,,What is your favorite strap color, Sir?“
In addition if you get the questions in advance of an „interview“ you have enough time to hide your real character.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Gelateria

Patek has loads of work of art. Enamel paintings, wood marquetry etc, they are exquisite art pieces....

Thierry is just a small blip within the great historic House of Patek Philippe. Over many, many decades, the design House has hired an abundance of artists from around the world to create exquisite and luxurious items, write articles, etc. Some production items are collabs, some 'purchased creations', and some... something else from worldwide artists.

The House of Patek Philippe is fine long-term, but short-term-ish sure some might not see an upward trajectory under Thierry's 'vision'. Ok, perhaps, maybe Thierry has not really been that beneficial for moving the House of Patek Philippe forward moreso than benefitting from the recent massive bubble.

Soon we may see who is swimming naked (looking at you UN), tho have faith as the longstanding and historic design House of Patek Philippe is far more than just Thierry. His reaction seems to have surprised many, too, though perhaps he was never really prepared for the task (job) at hand. Just being a member of some family ('Lucky Sperm') does not mean you are qualified as a leader who inspires greatness.

"You can't force an agenda, Mr. Alderson. You have to inspire one."
-- Phillip Price

How many reading this are truly inspired by the Nautilus² (a.k.a. Cubitus)?

[metallic]

Patek is certainly a watch company with a great history. The question is what are they now with their current offerings under their current leadership?

I for one am not inspired to buy any of their current products at their outlandish prices. Too many other great brands available including many incredible independents.

If I purchase something now, I think I would be simply purchasing the name on the dial.

[MangoTree1]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Thierry is just a small blip within the great historic House of Patek Philippe. Over many, many decades, the design House has hired an abundance of artists from around the world to create exquisite and luxurious items, write articles, etc. Some production items are collabs, some 'purchased creations', and some... something else from worldwide artists.

The House of Patek Philippe is fine long-term, but short-term-ish sure some might not see an upward trajectory under Thierry's 'vision'. Ok, perhaps, maybe Thierry has not really been that beneficial for moving the House of Patek Philippe forward moreso than benefitting from the recent massive bubble.

Soon we may see who is swimming naked (looking at you UN), tho have faith as the longstanding and historic design House of Patek Philippe is far more than just Thierry. His reaction seems to have surprised many, too, though perhaps he was never really prepared for the task (job) at hand. Just being a member of some family ('Lucky Sperm') does not mean you are qualified as a leader who inspires greatness.

"You can't force an agenda, Mr. Alderson. You have to inspire one."
-- Phillip Price

How many reading this are truly inspired by the Nautilus² (a.k.a. Cubitus)?

The more often I read such hateful bullsh*% comments, the better I understand TS!

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by MangoTree1

The more often I read such hateful bullsh*% comments, the better I understand TS!

He had decades.

It's not just me who seems unimpressed.

Have zero doubt PP will sell every model produced.

We live in interesting times.

PS: If apologies are needed, please consider them offered. Truly do hope their next release is absolutely incredible and is universally very well received. Am bowing out of this thread.

[Rollieo]

Originally Posted by Mighty_Kraken

Maybe you and Mr. Stern are just not used to real journalism?
I mean the toughest question watch media like Revolution or Hodinkee normally ask in interviews are like ,,What is your favorite strap color, Sir?“
In addition if you get the questions in advance of an „interview“ you have enough time to hide your real character.

“Speaking of criticism: The Cubitus was leaked two days before its launch and caused a shitstorm. What does that do to you?”

Doesn’t sound very professional from a “real journalist”. Sounds like a d bag trying to stoke a response.

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

Here’s a photo that goes well with the interview:





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Round man wears square watch: Looks ridiculous and sounds like an asshole. This is the new face of Patek.
If you are not a fanboy move on. There are many other fish in the sea. The Cubitus is Sponge Bob Nautilus. Hideous.

[scurfa]

The momentum of bad press is growing by the day, YouTube, instagram, facebook and forums have some bad comments regarding Patek, the WatchPro site who would be on you for the slightest bit of criticism of Patek have really taken it bad as well and that is something I thought I would never see.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

… (because, really, who would currently choose a Cubitus over a Nautilus if given the choice?).

I would suggest anyone who already has a Cubitus made that exact choice.

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by Russell996

I would suggest anyone who already has a Cubitus made that exact choice.

Dear Russell, I would suggest it’s not the same if you already own nautilus/aquanaut models and rare handcrafts by PP…


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[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

Dear Russell, I would suggest it’s not the same if you already own nautilus/aquanaut models and rare handcrafts by PP…


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It’s a choice, no matter who makes it and what else is in the collection.

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by Russell996

It’s a choice, no matter who makes it and what else is in the collection.

It’s indeed a choice, but but not the same one, in the context in which I was referring to in my original post


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[INC]

Originally Posted by Russell996

It’s a choice, no matter who makes it and what else is in the collection.

I don't think it's the same if you can buy a Cubitus at MSRP but turn it down because you want a Nautilus. The real choice would be if you could choose between a Cubitus AND a Nautilus with the same time at an AD.

In such a case, I would really like to know how many people would choose Cubitus among those who do not yet have a lot of Nautilus.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by INC

I don't think it's the same if you can buy a Cubitus at MSRP but turn it down because you want a Nautilus. The real choice would be if you could choose between a Cubitus AND a Nautilus with the same time at an AD.

In such a case, I would really like to know how many people would choose Cubitus among those who do not yet have a lot of Nautilus.

If you don’t own a Nautilus, I can’t judge that, but a decision to take the Cubitus over a Nautilus in a straight choice then absolutely - for me it was 5980G or 5822P.

[boa2]

Originally Posted by INC

I don't think it's the same if you can buy a Cubitus at MSRP but turn it down because you want a Nautilus. The real choice would be if you could choose between a Cubitus AND a Nautilus with the same time at an AD.

In such a case, I would really like to know how many people would choose Cubitus among those who do not yet have a lot of Nautilus.

I tried on the 5821 and 5712 the other day and while I would happily own either I would choose the Cubitus.

[INC]

Originally Posted by Russell996

If you don’t own a Nautilus, I can’t judge that, but a decision to take the Cubitus over a Nautilus in a straight choice then absolutely - for me it was 5980G or 5822P.

If I remember well, you have several beautiful PPs. In this case, your choice should not be a question, because if you want to diversify and make your collection more versatile, then it is quite obvious that if you can buy a Cubitus from an AD. If I were in the same situation as you, I would probably have chosen Cubitus.

That's why I suggested that we should instead ask IF someone DOESN'T have a Nautilus AND had the opportunity to buy the same knowledge from an AD in the form of a Nautilus or Cubitus, which one would they choose?

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by INC

If I remember well, you have several beautiful PPs. In this case, your choice should not be a question, because if you want to diversify and make your collection more versatile, then it is quite obvious that if you can buy a Cubitus from an AD. If I were in the same situation as you, I would probably have chosen Cubitus.

That's why I suggested that we should instead ask IF someone DOESN'T have a Nautilus AND had the opportunity to buy the same knowledge from an AD in the form of a Nautilus or Cubitus, which one would they choose?

Exactly what I meant.
In Russell’s case let’s make it more relatable- if you could keep only ONE, would it be your 5811 (or any other favorite nautilus you currently own) or the Cubitus? Keep it one hunnid


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[Russell996]

Originally Posted by INC

If I remember well, you have several beautiful PPs. In this case, your choice should not be a question, because if you want to diversify and make your collection more versatile, then it is quite obvious that if you can buy a Cubitus from an AD. If I were in the same situation as you, I would probably have chosen Cubitus.

That's why I suggested that we should instead ask IF someone DOESN'T have a Nautilus AND had the opportunity to buy the same knowledge from an AD in the form of a Nautilus or Cubitus, which one would they choose?

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

Exactly what I meant.
In Russell’s case let’s make it more relatable- if you could keep only ONE, would it be your 5811 (or any other favorite nautilus you currently own) or the Cubitus? Keep it one hunnid


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My point is, I believe it is perfectly understandable for anyone to pick a Cubitus over a similar Nautilus, whether first time buyer or multiple owner, it’s simply a matter of choice. Now it’s probably an easier decision if you want to add diversity to an existing collection as suggested above. The 5822P wears perfectly with a suit so is now one of my daily wearers for work, I have never worn a bracelet Nautilus in a similar way. If I could only keep one piece then no sports Patek would be in with a shout.

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by Russell996

My point is, I believe it is perfectly understandable for anyone to pick a Cubitus over a similar Nautilus, whether first time buyer or multiple owner, it’s simply a matter of choice. Now it’s probably an easier decision if you want to add diversity to an existing collection as suggested above. The 5822P wears perfectly with a suit so is now one of my daily wearers for work, I have never worn a bracelet Nautilus in a similar way. If I could only keep one piece then no sports Patek would be in with a shout.

An incident like this could potentially happen:

1. You’re an existing customer that wants to diversify their collection or support the brand (fair enough).
2. You’ve got most of their hot stuff and are addicted to having the “latest and greatest”—you can’t stand the FOMO.
3. It’s an open gate for future allocations.
4. You want to flip it while it’s supposedly hot.
5. SA lets you try it on and “slips” with their card reader on your Apple Pay. Opsie.
6. You’ve decided to visit your beloved AD after having 2-3 bottles of Chartreuse.





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[Rollieo]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

An incident like this could potentially happen:

1. You’re an existing customer that wants to diversify their collection or support the brand (fair enough).
2. You’ve got most of their hot stuff and are addicted to having the “latest and greatest”—you can’t stand the FOMO.
3. It’s an open gate for future allocations.
4. You want to flip it while it’s supposedly hot.
5. SA lets you try it on and “slips” with their card reader on your Apple Pay. Opsie.
6. You’ve decided to visit your beloved AD after having 2-3 bottles of Chartreuse.





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Why can’t someone just like it?

I’ve tried on the SS and platinum version, it’s quite nice. A bit too big (down to 42mm instead of 45mm given the wings and I think it’d fit well) and too expensive ($35k for the SS green instead of $41k), otherwise I likely would be asking my AD for one

[Roger Lococco]

Originally Posted by Rollieo

Why can’t someone just like it?

I’ve tried on the SS and platinum version, it’s quite nice. A bit too big (down to 42mm instead of 45mm given the wings and I think it’d fit well) and too expensive ($35k for the SS green instead of $41k), otherwise I likely would be asking my AD for one

Different people can definitely have different tastes. AMC sold a lot of Pacers back in the day.


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[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Champagnepapi

An incident like this could potentially happen:

1. You’re an existing customer that wants to diversify their collection or support the brand (fair enough).
2. You’ve got most of their hot stuff and are addicted to having the “latest and greatest”—you can’t stand the FOMO.
3. It’s an open gate for future allocations.
4. You want to flip it while it’s supposedly hot.
5. SA lets you try it on and “slips” with their card reader on your Apple Pay. Opsie.
6. You’ve decided to visit your beloved AD after having 2-3 bottles of Chartreuse.



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1. You’re an existing customer that wants to diversify their collection or support the brand (fair enough).

A diversified collection is always a goal, a charity I’m not. Never buy anything you don’t like or want.

2. You’ve got most of their hot stuff and are addicted to having the “latest and greatest”—you can’t stand the FOMO.

LOL

3. It’s an open gate for future allocations.

Cubitus isn’t an open gate to anything, a diversified collection gains access to special pieces. See point 1.

4. You want to flip it while it’s supposedly hot.

Only if you’re an idiot. See point 1.

5. SA lets you try it on and “slips” with their card reader on your Apple Pay. Opsie.

LOL

6. You’ve decided to visit your beloved AD after having 2-3 bottles of Chartreuse.

Never drink before deciding, only once the deal is done.

Only an idiot believes their choice is the only choice. If you don’t like something then don’t buy it, but have an understanding that views and opinions differ. There are 1000’s of watches that I wouldn’t consider buying but it doesn’t mean I think no one should - unless we are talking RM and then I have no understanding of anyone buying one.