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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
Yes, no issues |
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1,040 | 69.85% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.06% |
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I own two Datejust 41 Rolex watches.
One is about three years old: no issues DJ41 "2" is about eighteen months old: no issues. Both watches worn in daily rotation: I wear them enough that neither have run down. DLST and calendar adjustments are the *only time the crown is unscrewed. Both references run appropriately: -3 / +4. I rarely check as this level of timekeeping is more than acceptable for a mechanical automatic watch. To add: My brother's six month old DJ41 is still running 'factory spec' -2 / +2 with no issues. It too has never run down except for calendar/DLST adjustments. Hope this helps. Sent from my SM-A520W using Tapatalk |
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But I wouldn't worry about potential issues yet until or unless the timing falls out of spec. So far i would just check it monthly or whenever you next change the date. But in an effort to prevent a skewing of the results of the poll, i would urge you to abstain from clicking on any option at this stage, at least without the results of some figures from timing on a timeographer ![]() Enjoy your watch ![]() |
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![]() Have you voted in the poll? If so, would you kindly let us know if something goes off the rails down the track? |
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After all, 48 hours was more than adequate in terms of practicality. That's one of the reasons why I believe Rolex was caught with their pants down in the battle for market supremisy by a major competitor who shall remain nameless but has gone down the twin Spring barrel path. Rolex probably had to rush their design to market ![]() |
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For simplicity and accuracy. Shouldn't all tests be performed at full wind? What is the purpose of accepting a potential error factor of a partially wound down movement that's undefined, and where it has little bearing on what is deemed to be in the optimal state of wind/power reserve? |
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For all those who might consider using a Timegrapher App. (setup of today as demonstration for this thread)
![]() Put the headphone microphone below the crown, close the box for noise reduction, connect the headphone with your smartphone, start the App. and you get such a screen ![]() SD43, no full winding, dial up position, lift angle: 53 degrees, BPH: 28800 Result -> Rate: + 4.5 s/d, Amplitude: 242 degrees, beat error: 0 ms It's really easy to obtain a "rough" overview from time to time. |
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Should I experience any abnormalities, I'll definitely pass along any useful information. I think your effort is going to be worthwhile and helpful with the ultimate goal being greater understanding of the 32xx series movement. Sent from my SM-A520W using Tapatalk |
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It all depends upon your activity levels. I personally get about 48 hours of power reserve on my Rolex watches if I wear the watch for only 8 hours. That is experimenting with a stopped watch. And if I wear it for only one hour I get about 6 hours of run time. |
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But to be clear, all credit must go to a couple of other members for taking the initiative ![]() I am only supportive ![]() |
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A: Not necessarily Q: What is the purpose of accepting a potential error factor of a partially wound down movement that's undefined... A: The purpose is to measure, after full watch winding at t=0, how the amplitudes get less with time and if the amplitudes at t= 24 h are still above 200 degrees, which is the minimum acceptable value for the 3200 series. |
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Contrast the Rolex 70 hour experience with the 32xx movement. Ther are others with a single spring barrel from Rolex and other manufacturers with comparable power reserves, that don't seem to have systemic timekeeping issues linked to a tendency to self destruct. In a fashion. My simple manual wind GS is one example that I own ![]() But are we digressing by chasing the power reserve angle? I thought the purpose of the poll was to try and tease out the veracity of the declining timekeeping issue with the movement in question and by extension the connection with the amplitude as a guide ![]() |
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Please do vote. From your description it sounds like a strong "Yes". Between you and your brother's watches you have seen no issues. A key goal of this thread is to get an overall idea of the scope of this problem. Are we talking about 1% of all watches? 10%? 50%? So we need to hear from everybody. |
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Even more than that, it can go from + to - immediately (i.e. same power reserve) just by changing positions. Every combination of position and power reserve represents another possible result in terms of timing accuracy, amplitude, beat error, etc.
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![]() Who's going to analyse the data and subject it to pier review then distill it into something that is digestible for us prols? |
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Special thanks to HiBoost and saxo3. You're doing yeoman's work here.
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I’m all for this poll of it makes members happy, but I just want to point out that DIRT doesn’t own a watch with the 3235 movement so perhaps he should stop posting 15 posts in a row and let the data roll in. I am actually interested in seeing this data but it’s very difficult to get to it.
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And I see you haven't spent much time researching the multi-quote feature so I'll try to give you the details. Scroll through the thread and click the +" button on every comment you want to reply to, one after another. Once you have them all picked, just click the "quote" button on the last one you selected. You will then have a reply with all the quotes in it and you can put your comments inline after each one. #spoonfed ![]() Quote:
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As far as the degree of difficulty goes. I put it to you, it's recognisable as soon as you see it. I shall endeavour to space out my posts more if 15 in a row is not to your liking. As i've said before on this forum. I'm not all that tech savy and stick to what i know works, but it hasn't ever stopped me from having a go. I'm not a complete ludite. In the past something goes wrong when I've tried it and I'm sure I'll get to it eventually. There's also another side to it, in that I can focus better on my communitations with individuals. I feel as though it's more one on one ![]() And it's just Dirt thankyou Sir. Edit: I wasn't aware I had actually put up 15 in a row ![]() I suppose we can add counting above 10 to the list of Horoligical accomplishments required to competently distill all the data points being gathered in this thread ![]() Thanks for sharing your own data ![]() |
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[QUOTE=HiBoost;11222470]There's no rabbit hole, I think you are missing my point. I wasn't suggesting he needs to gather data in 6 positions at every possible amount of power reserve for the sake of this thread. He was making a comment about mechanical watch behavior in general and I was following up with another dimension. Timing accuracy can change as power reserve runs down, and it can change in different positions at the same power reserve. That is all, this is not 32xx specific behavior, just something any mechanical watch own may be interested in.
And I see you haven't spent much time researching the multi-quote feature so I'll try to give you the details. Scroll through the thread and click the +" button on every comment you want to reply to, one after another. Once you have them all picked, just click the "quote" button on the last one you selected. You will then have a reply with all the quotes in it and you can put your comments inline after each one. #spoonfed ![]() I appreciate the spoonfeeding though i may not necessarily like the taste of what you are dishing out. It's somewhere in there I get mixed up in the multi-quote process. Do keep in mind it's not a requirement for participation in the forum and you are not empowered to compell me to be compliant with your wishes Kind Sir. As i've said previously, I'm old school. But I'll back myself against most others here that I can rebuild/refresh an engine or transmission better than yourself. Just don't get me started on the black arts of being a Shipwright or any aspects related to Marine engineering/design. We all have our own fields of expertise, and i suppose that's why one of my dearly departed old watchmaker(before there were "Horologists") friend used to get me to work on his boat when we couldn't fit in a fishing trip ![]() Interested in watches, i shall remain ![]() |
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Guys, find yourself someone who loves you as much as Dirt loves to post on 32xx threads.
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Though I'm not "empowered" to force you to be polite, I think most people might find it a bit annoying in the future to be scrolling through an important thread with 500 posts, 400 of which are from some curmudgeon who doesn't even own the item being discussed. I tried to be respectful and helpful towards you, but you seem to prefer to take this in a more adversarial direction. Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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Testing multi-quote in Tapatalk. Hold down on a post. Select more. Then select Multi quote. Then tap each post and the tally will show at the top of the screen. 3 each in this example. Then click comment button on top right.
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Great hack. I did not think of using the Rolex box as a sound dampener.
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