Finally purchased a Submariner 116610LN at a great price

[johnnyjazz]

I am not going to say congrats just yet because i don,t like the look of the pearl.

[doboy007]

Originally Posted by johnnyjazz

I am not going to say congrats just yet because i don,t like the look of the pearl.

Just wondering, what's wrong with it? You sure it’s not just the fuzzy picture :)

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by johnnyjazz

I am not going to say congrats just yet because i don,t like the look of the pearl.

There are a few other things that concern me also besides that. First thing I would do if my watch is take it to a watchmaker and have case back removed to verify a genuine 3135 movement.

[SatansLittleHelper]

I really don’t like the 30 on the bezel. It should look like this. Hopefully, it’s just a poor pic. Good luck, OP



Edit: in fact, look at the number 2, it looks even worse. OP, do you have clearer pics?

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by SatansLittleHelper

I really don’t like the 30 on the bezel. It should look like this. Hopefully, it’s just a poor pic. Good luck, OP



Edit: in fact, look at the number 2, it looks even worse. OP, do you have clearer pics?

He is convinced the watch is genuine, however I am not. Look at the bezel teeth, compared to your image...

[jph4387]

Originally Posted by SatansLittleHelper

I really don’t like the 30 on the bezel. It should look like this. Hopefully, it’s just a poor pic. Good luck, OP



Edit: in fact, look at the number 2, it looks even worse. OP, do you have clearer pics?

The thing that makes me nervous are the 20 and 30. In addition to the two and three, look at the zeroes on these. It could be the angle but it looks like on the zeroes, two of the four corners are rounded while the other two are square. Also, look at the bezel compared to the 9 marker. The bezel at the top is perfectly aligned with the 12, however, the bezel mark at 45 sits low compared to the 9 marker. Should it center to the 9?

[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by jph4387

Also, look at the bezel compared to the 9 marker. The bezel at the top is perfectly aligned with the 12, however, the bezel mark at 45 sits low compared to the 9 marker. Should it center to the 9?

Parallax?

[101031-28]

Looks like a great find to me. Congrats OP! Still, I would stop by RSC in Beverly Hills and have them give you the green light. Peace of mind is everything.

[RollieRoll]

Originally Posted by LittlewoodsThree

Does the OP deserve congratulations for taking advantage of an uninformed seller who doesn't know the market price? Everyone is congratulating him on price.
Assuming the story is true and the goods are not fake or stolen, I'm not sure I would be proud of it.

Yeah...littlewoods is right. You are disgusting and dispicable OP. How dare you even think about buying that watch below market. And to think you didn't tip the seller? Did you at least try to give him more money? If not , then you're practically a thief.

OP - I'm obviously just kidding, man. Congrats on one of the most iconic timeless pieces with one of the most reliable movements, recognizable designs and best made bracelet in the entire watch industry . You got one hell of a deal, and we should all applaud you for it and be happy for you as fellow TRF member!

Im confident that neither littlewood nor any of the other members meant any harm. I just disagree with their approach. The Rolex sub is one of the most replicated Subs. It's extremely hard to discern a real from a fake sometimes. They make one to one replicas now. Even some of the movements look similar. It is sometimes very difficult to tell without opening the back of the watch. Would me and many others would recommend is that you simply take the watch to a nearby certified watchmaker and validate authenticity. This is not because you got an amazing deal, it's just very good practice and due diligence which all people, even trusted sellers, engage in.

Hoping you enjoy the watch for a lifetime, in good health.

[cht]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Have you completely lost the plot?

Edit:
My apologies, I have just read some of your previous posts and shouldn't have asked.

Who are you and whats your problem?

Nice way to uselessly insert yourself in a thread.


If sent to rsc at some point and confiscated by rolex, the buyer would have a hard time getting his money back from the seller in the event the seller had reported it stolen to his insuranve company, that is certainly time and lawyer fees id want to avoid by spending a little more from a trusted dealer.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by RollieRoll

Yeah...littlewoods is right. You are disgusting and dispicable OP. How dare you even think about buying that watch below market. And to think you didn't tip the seller? Did you at least try to give him more money? If not , then you're practically a thief.

OP - I'm obviously just kidding, man. Congrats on one of the most iconic timeless pieces with one of the most reliable movements, recognizable designs and best made bracelet in the entire watch industry . You got one hell of a deal, and we should all applaud you for it and be happy for you as fellow TRF member!

Im confident that neither littlewood nor any of the other members meant any harm. I just disagree with their approach. The Rolex sub is one of the most replicated Subs. It's extremely hard to discern a real from a fake sometimes. They make one to one replicas now. Even some of the movements look similar. It is sometimes very difficult to tell without opening the back of the watch. Would me and many others would recommend is that you simply take the watch to a nearby certified watchmaker and validate authenticity. This is not because you got an amazing deal, it's just very good practice and due diligence which all people, even trusted sellers, engage in.

Hoping you enjoy the watch for a lifetime, in good health.

It is also because the watch was bought off Craigslist, and in the world of high end watches there are certainly more fakes for sale there than the genuine article.

[RollieRoll]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

It is also because the watch was bought off Craigslist, and in the world of high end watches there are certainly more fakes for sale there than the genuine article.

Yes, I agree

[BillA]

Congrats, great find
Wear it in good health.

[ALF61]

Watch looks perfectly fine to me. OP, look for the Rolex Crown etched in the six o'clock position of the saphire glass by shining a light from the twelve o clock position. I bet it will be there.

[Matteo E]

I'm certainly no expert but something looks off with that 3 to me. I would have it checked out for peace of mind no doubt.

[Matteo E]

Originally Posted by ALF61

Watch looks perfectly fine to me. OP, look for the Rolex Crown etched in the six o'clock position of the saphire glass by shining a light from the twelve o clock position. I bet it will be there.

Saw a thread on this the other day, seems like this would be a reliable way to check for authenticity yet it's rarely mentioned. Are there any documented cases of this feature being copied by the fraudsters?

[tbonesteak]

Originally Posted by ALF61

Watch looks perfectly fine to me. OP, look for the Rolex Crown etched in the six o'clock position of the saphire glass by shining a light from the twelve o clock position. I bet it will be there.

Quality fakes have that too... Finding a great deal on Craigslist would always have me on high alert.

OP, if you’re close to an RSC, have it authenticated for $150, with the price you paid, an extra $150 is still a steal, and no better place to get peace of mind than a Rolex Service Center. Movement is the only way to guarantee authenticity.

Good luck!

[bayok]

Nice catch OP !!! Wear it in good health.

[RollieRoll]

Originally Posted by Matteo E

Saw a thread on this the other day, seems like this would be a reliable way to check for authenticity yet it's rarely mentioned. Are there any documented cases of this feature being copied by the fraudsters?

Any decent fake has the laser etching crown on the Chrystal albiet most look like crap compared to an authentic

[chris242]

sounds almost too good to be true.. i would have met at an AD and had it authenticated before that cash transaction! best of luck and if all turns out well wear it in good health!


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[Zippo]

Originally Posted by SatansLittleHelper

I really don’t like the 30 on the bezel. It should look like this. Hopefully, it’s just a poor pic. Good luck, OP



Edit: in fact, look at the number 2, it looks even worse. OP, do you have clearer pics?

TBH this doesn’t look right to me either - maybe I’m being extra paranoid tonight . Look at the top end link and pay attention to the centre, it should extend past the lugs and it doesn’t. Also the bezel teeth look to be quite flat.

I took this from the Rolex website.

[Stew7]

Congrats on the nice pickup. It looks legit to me and if you didn't mention the price, people wouldn't be going out of their way to question it's authenticity.

You met the guy at his workplace and the package came with box, papers and receipt with the sellers name on it. I'd say you did everything that people here would normally suggest you do before purchasing a used Rolex privately except maybe meet at an AD.

I imagine less than 1% of all Rolex purchasers are WIS or have ever visited a watch forum so it's hardly unbelievable that someone who isn't tracking the monthly used value trends would sell his used Sub for less than market value.

[NativeTxn]

What’s more likely?

1) Seller has a fake watch, fake box, fake papers, fake warranty card, fake receipt, all with matching serial numbers, names, and address. Then gives the buyer his home and work numbers and addresses and has the buyer come to his place of employment to make the purchase

2) seller bought the watch and now needs cash quickly for maybe a medical expense or something like that and $5,700 is the bare minimum that he needs and he needs it ASAP. He knows generally what used subs sell for and prices it below that to make it move as fast as possible and ultimately takes his bottom line number to get the deal done as fast as he can.

I’m not saying it is fake or real or anything since I don’t have the watch, but there are plenty of reasons, as others have mentioned, that someone might sell a used Rolex for well under current “going rate” in the forums and from dealers.

I bet a pawn shop would have offered $5,000 or less.

I’d probably have it checked out for peace of mind if it was me, but I’d be willing to bet it’s the real deal and OP was in the right place at the right time.


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[sya]

Congrats. But this sounds weird:

1) How does a seller not know the inclusions of what he is selling, esp the guarantee card which is very important?

2) You didn't check the box or what's inside before handing over the money?

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by Andrejb

When I read this I decided to look at my clasp. Mine looks quite far to the left as well. Maybe it’s common?

My crown on the clasp also seems very slightly positioned left of center.

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by ian6988

I’m not regretting posting my experience here in TRF. I just wanted to post my experience here to show people that there’s good deals available out there if you wait and do your research. This is not my first Rolex I’ve bought from CL, I’ve also walked away from sketchy sellers and when there’s something odd with the watch I walk away.

I don’t think $5700 is a too good to be true price specially buying it from a seller outside this forum. How much do you think the AD will take his trade in? Probably even less at a pawn shop.

OP, I was on your team until this post.

I don't know how many on this forum would advocate a buyer attempt to purchase a watch under the exact conditions that you described. The odds were against you. Although you did have real name and office location, so maybe.......But, I'm not sure we should use your good luck story to encourage others to buy a watch under similar circumstances. We have seen too many good looking purchases turn out horribly wrong.

That said, OP, congrats and wear in good health! I am happy it seems to have turned out well! (Unless, seller collected insurance money for his "stolen" watch. Did you get a receipt from the seller? I would type up a contract with the serial number and buyer name and get seller to sign. If he balks at this, then tell him you would like to have this in order to verify to Rolex that it is your watch if you send it in for service with someone else's name.)

[ian6988]

Originally Posted by ALF61

Watch looks perfectly fine to me. OP, look for the Rolex Crown etched in the six o'clock position of the saphire glass by shining a light from the twelve o clock position. I bet it will be there.

The etched Rolex crown is there. I’m pretty confident that the watch is authentic.

[Nikrnic]

Originally Posted by ian6988

The etched Rolex crown is there. I’m pretty confident that the watch is authentic.

Congrats! Great buy. It pays off to be $ ready and quick when something comes up, and you were. I was looking for an AK and scored one brand new full set for 5k all done.

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[ian6988]

Originally Posted by sya

Congrats. But this sounds weird:

1) How does a seller not know the inclusions of what he is selling, esp the guarantee card which is very important?

2) You didn't check the box or what's inside before handing over the money?

Seller’s photo on CL only showed watch, box and copy of receipt and warranty card. When I agreed on $5700 I wasn’t expecting to get a full set because it wasn’t in the photos and the seller said that the original warranty card wasn’t included so I didn’t check the box compartment. I inspected the watch and copy of receipt, matched the serial number with copy, paid the seller and left. What’s funny is seller didn’t even count the cash I gave him before I left. When I got to my car I got a text from seller saying I only gave him $5600, then got a call and he apologized because he missed a $100 bill that got left inside the envelope, after that I decided to wear the watch and when I opened the compartment I saw all the paperworks, both tags, warranty card and extra links. I called the seller and told him to not bother calling AD in Hawaii because I found the warranty card inside the box, seller laughed and said “ oh man I gotta get myself together”.

[Bladeshot]

OP, congrats on a great deal. Looks like you did all you could, outside meeting at a place that could expertly authenticate the watch. I’ve bought several off of CL over the years and it does involve some risk. However, I have access to people who help me authenticate via pics, and I have gained enough experience to feel confident, on my own. I am cautious and (like you) walk away when things seem sketchy. I doubt the seller could have easily gotten more, very quickly, and in order to get cash fast, he made a trade off for a slightly lower price. It’s those quick sales that can be winners. (It looks good to me, and I - like others in this thread - also have had 116610 examples where the crown on bracelet is shifted slightly left.) Wear it in good health!


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