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28 October 2017, 12:24 AM | #151 |
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28 October 2017, 07:26 AM | #152 |
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28 October 2017, 11:54 AM | #153 |
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28 October 2017, 12:25 PM | #154 |
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Glad I was wrong! I’ll admit I was wrong, the laser engraved crown being so visible through me for a loop! Wear it in good health!
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29 October 2017, 02:11 AM | #155 |
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29 October 2017, 08:43 AM | #156 |
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If that’s fake I’ll stop buying real watches today 😂😂
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1 November 2017, 10:51 PM | #157 |
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It looks good to me...
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1 November 2017, 11:26 PM | #158 |
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Many of the new Subs have it very visible. I returned one because it bothered me being able to see it.
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1 November 2017, 11:30 PM | #159 | |
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I did note another poster posted a sub, and you could see the LEC very clearly from a side shot, but no face onto dial. A
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2 November 2017, 03:22 PM | #160 |
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2 November 2017, 11:38 PM | #161 |
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3 November 2017, 02:00 AM | #162 |
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3 November 2017, 02:14 AM | #163 |
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3 November 2017, 02:22 AM | #164 | |
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Frankly, I think Adam has taken a bit of undeserved heat on this thread. In the first place, trying to determine whether a Rolex (or any other watch) is real or fake based only on pictures posted online is a bit of a fool's errand to begin with. I mean that most respectfully. We know that even some ADs, examining a watch in their hands have been fooled by some fakes. I, for one, am grateful there are some in this forum who are willing to stick their necks out and offer an opinion even if they might be wrong. The thing to remember is that an opinion as to whether a watch is real or fake is just that, an opinion. If I remember correctly, Adam didn't even express that he thought the watch was fake, he only said there were three things that concerned him. In the final analysis, especially on a close call, always consult either RSC, or a trusted AD. |
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3 November 2017, 03:52 AM | #165 | |
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I have correctly helped more people here than most others. Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say" Not unreasonable? The three things that I was "concerned" about were: 1) LEC far to visible. In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit. 2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock. 3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked. Next. I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES! The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel. How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples. Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes" So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake. If that means acting or advising caution - so be it. Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake! If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD! Finally. Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible" I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles. Only to conclude by saying "I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best" Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me! Adam R. Harris
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3 November 2017, 04:12 AM | #166 | |
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3 November 2017, 04:21 AM | #167 |
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Thank you - really appreciated
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3 November 2017, 04:28 AM | #168 | |
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I do appreciate your help on the forum. Your comments and responses are insightful. No one is 100%, but willingness to help is more important. I rather be cautious and wrong than losing money. Keep up the good work! |
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3 November 2017, 04:30 AM | #169 | |
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3 November 2017, 04:46 AM | #170 |
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Thanks for the honest and thorough explanation, Adam. Much appreciated.
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3 November 2017, 04:48 AM | #171 | |
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3 November 2017, 05:18 AM | #172 |
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Looks real to me
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3 November 2017, 06:21 AM | #173 |
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One of these days we will read the following: "It's an obvious fake because there are no flaws."
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3 November 2017, 06:24 AM | #174 | |
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3 November 2017, 07:08 AM | #175 | |
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Adam, Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. No one can ever blame someone for not wanting to elaborate on details when the OP has no history on this forum. It turns out the Op was legit but we all know that’s not always the case and no need to help the scammers out there! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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3 November 2017, 08:49 AM | #176 |
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Thanks for the update, Adam. You have my respect (for what that is worth) and many will benefit from your study of the non-genuine watches.
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3 November 2017, 09:06 AM | #177 | |
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Many a true word spoken in jest. But really, I have a fake, sold by a reputable shop, buyer took it to an AD and fake. Shop asked me to check it LEC, perfect, rehaut perfect, crown test passed, litmus test passed! Only by checking movement could anyone say fake! Once again Thanks
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3 November 2017, 09:07 AM | #178 |
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Thanks your "respect" means a lot. Thanks
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3 November 2017, 09:07 AM | #179 | |
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Once again thanks
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3 November 2017, 12:02 PM | #180 |
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Adam,
Out of curiosity, those super fakes you are talking about, how good are they at keeping time? are they in COSC limits? if visually they look almost identical. Can we still "assess" them by just checking their accuracy? |
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