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Yes, no issues |
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1,039 | 69.83% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.08% |
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I will do another 2 or 3 PR tests to prove the reproducability situation one way or the other. But first, please can i wear my new watch for a few days so I can begin to enjoy it. ![]() ![]() ![]() I will do a series of 5 position tests again soon, But not yet. I am enjoying looking at a White dial for a change.
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My 2019 DJ41 went back to Rolex in August 2020 to be sorted but within a couple of months later it had the same problem again. I then sold it as didn’t want to be without a watch again, not all of us have collections so can’t rotate. I certainly won’t buy a 32 series movement again as never had any issues with the older 30 and 31 series |
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I have two 32xx watches (3235 in my Submariner Date and a 3285 in my Explorer II). So far, and I do admit it is still early days, both watches are keeping excellent time. I wonder if something has changed in the movement production. There are slight differences visable in the timegrapher readings .. Especially with the second daily breakdown now "Missing" in the 3285 movement which is the newer of my two movements. Don't give up on the 32xx series Its good and the extra PR is a definite plus for me.
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Yeah I did the same with my ym. The dj though marked a special occasion for me so I need to hold on to it. I trust / hope Rolex will perma fix it next time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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With posting links to this thread in other threads in order to potentially have it bumped by someone else outside the Dream Team and by default adding an air of legitimacy to it. Also one particular member of the Dream Team directly bumping it after it drops out of prominence as well as making disparaging remarks about other peoples threads. Then we have another member buying a new watch and posting about it when there's nothing wrong with it yet, just to keep padding the thread out for no good reason and no benefit to anybody or the forum in general, though I'm glad he got the bracelet set up just the way he likes it. Jeff, I'm sorry to inform you but there has been nothing new of any value here for a very long time. Sets of data collected. Beautifully illustrated graphs. Pictures of some gear with little idea. Solicitation of potential contributors. Etc, etc. The thread had served its intended purpose within the first week or two, as you have more or less pointed out. Sadly the thread has been kicked down the road on numerous occasions without any tangible or usefull benefit. I must reiterate my initial support for the exercise, but I feel we have run into the law of diminishing returns here. As a car guy I'm sure you are familiar with the concept ![]() |
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The BIG drop in amplitude at the end of the PR is normal and to be expected. basically the watch is quite simply "Running out of steam". Congratulations on your Submariner .. Wear and enjoy it in the very best of health.
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![]() From a personal perspective, my real interest on this thread is mainly the poll - in other words what percentage of owners have had problems with the 32xx movement. That's important consumer information IMO, and if it in any way speeds up Rolex finding a permanent solution then that can only be a good thing, can't it? I also think it's good for prospective buyers to have as much information as possible - forewarned is forearmed, etc. I'm a huge watch fan, and a Rolex fan in particular - I own 5 Rolexes at the moment, and have owned an additional 3 in the past - so I really want this resolved because at the moment (through personal experience) I won't touch any new model that has a 32xx. Overkill? Maybe. But watches are an enjoyable hobby for me, so as soon as something makes it less enjoyable, I walk away. Hence why I've walked away from the 32xx for the time being. So for me, seeing numbers of respondees to the poll slowly ticking over is a good thing. And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that 25-26% with issues reduce over time as it would mean it was resolved. Surely that's all we all want isn't it? |
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![]() Interesting to note. When the poll started there was an intial rush of respondents which pushed the numbers above the 30% mark who are seemingly having issues with their watches. I'm sure you will agree anyway one looks at it, it's not a good set of numbers. As Bas has previously made the commitment to keep the forum informed of the official status. I shall wait patiently. After all, he will be able to let us all know literally months before we can work these things out through this thread. |
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Does anyone know how keeping it on a winder can affect these movement issues? Makes it better, worst, neutral?
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If I were to hazard a guess, a watch winder can potentially accelerate a wear related issue as in the case before us with these new Rolex movements. Naturally at the other end of the spectrum, if one were to keep the watch in it's box and never wear it. It will never have an issue. Also I believe it has been reported in the past that a watch winder has actually cause a watch to become magnetised according to some people on watch forums. Of course, that may be dependent upon the quality of the winder ![]() |
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Isn't that the point of the thread, the new movements? If a movement has been "fixed" due the the issue, does putting it on a winder once it's fixed make it better, worst, or doesn't matter? Does the problem seem to reappear? If so, can it be related to winder use?
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Rolex fix you up as best they can to restore reasonable functionality, then send the watch back out there and worry about it again when or if the watch comes back. A winder will likely accelerate the time period before it needs attention again ![]() The point of the thread was to establish the prevalence of the issue and take it out of the realms of speculation in effect quantifying it. Historically, the problem will reappear. |
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This thread seems to be a major concern to some members.
I must thank one member who has bumped it >113 times. ![]() Keep up the good work. ![]()
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The newer movements in Rolex watches are much more Anti-magnetic or in other words not affected by magnetism as much as compared to watches from a few years ago.
The 32xx series of movements have the new less sensiitive to magnetism movements.
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While in the Rolex video it states the Parachrom less prone to magnetism and is 10 time more shockproof, but what they don't state is to what. Most certainly not the Nivarox ones that they, and most of the watch industry have used for the past 50 odd years. And with magnetic test where they hold a powerful magnet over a open case on a watch. So in the real world if you don't wear your watch dial down with the case back off with a powerful magnet near any hairspring. Then I would doubt in the real world that it would make little or no difference whatever the name of hairspring in the case. Now Nivarox that's the name of the alloy much like Rolex calls there Parachrom. Today it is used mainly in the watch/clock industry, but also in other micro-machine industries and in certain types of medical equipment and high precision surgical instruments. There are several variations of the Nivarox alloy depending upon the intended application. These alloys are stainless steel alloys with high concentrations of Cobalt (42-48%), Nickel (15-25%) and Chromium (16-22%). There are also small amounts of titanium and beryllium. Hairsprings made of this alloy are highly wear-resistant, and they are practically non-magnetic in normal daily wearing, and non-rusting and possess a low coefficient of thermal expansion. Nivarox 1 through 5 is a series of grades of hairsprings with number 1 being the best quality. The most commonly encountered Nivarox hairsprings in the watch industry are grades 1 to 3. The alloy is unaffected by heat and normal every day ordinary magnetic fields. There is however, also the Anachron hairspring which is said to be of even higher quality than the Nivarox No 1 grade. Who knows perhaps that the grade that Rolex used over the past 40-50 odd years, before being mainly forced to make there own escapement parts. Fact specs from Nivarox Far.
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All information data supplied from my own 79 year old brain power, without the aid of loupes,timegraphers, phone apps, and the rest of todays Rolex watch toys, or to produce data for the sake of posting data
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ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder ![]() |
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Depends on the winder and how you can position the watch. What I have found is that most winders lay the watch upright but also back at a tilt. This is enough for the rotor to work but might not be enough of a angle in the resting position for optimal overnight accuracy. In other words, if 6 o’clock up is optimal accuracy for your own individual movement, you might find adjusting your watch strait up and down off the winder might give more of a resting position correction. What I’m saying is it’s not the winder because I’ve had 5 different 32 series movements and all of them are on my multihead winders without any issues other than absolute perfect over night resting positions. It’s a hyper small issue that only if you are ocd would notice with time keeping.
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Got my 124060 last October. At first it was ok and loss/gain was negligible (I didn't track it seriously but it was holding). Then a few months later, it started losing time not dramatically but I lost about 1 minute in 4 weeks so I guess about -2s/day. I readjusted the time and observed it. Hasn't lost time since and is holding steady again.
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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It displays your timegrapher plus Watch Tracker data. ![]() Three 3285 amplitude breakdowns are clearly visible around midnight (date change), as for the 3235. Next is a direct comparison between the previous test 1 and this test 2. ![]() Both measurements were done under identical conditions in dial up position. Obviously, the Watch Tracker data (= timekeeping) are significantly different for the two 72 hour long test runs. Interesting results (at least for me) because it is a brand new 3285 watch purchased in July 2021. |
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At this juncture, can I say that there is a highly respected watchmaker with a prominent internet presence who has stated that there a a number of parts which comprise a watch movement. Any of them can be affected by magnetism despite and aside from the resistance to magnetism of the Hairspring. In summary, it's not just about the Hairspring ![]() |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
Charles, here are your PR results (amplitudes, rates) for your two watches (Submariner, Explorer II) graphed and compared with a Sea-Dweller and GMT Master II.
Some of our results have text-book quality. ![]() Pretty sure that no ordinary watchmaker has ever done or seen such high-quality measurements. As we both know, they can't even do it within the present data quantity and resolution. |
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