Hands-on and first impression of the Cubitus collection

[lutz]

tried on all three versions again yesterday. I'll pass for now

[ts3]

Originally Posted by lutz

tried on all three versions again yesterday. I'll pass for now

If you had swapped the position of the AP and the Cubitus instead of wearing the Cubitus up on the thicker forearm it would look more realistic and bigger yet.

[bob101]

Nice shade of blue there like the two tone nautilus and a classic RO is that a 15300st? So 39mm I guess. The cubitus wears more like an offshore in size.

[sampelligrino]

Swung by my local AD yesterday Gearys on Rodeo here in Beverly Hills

They have all 3 Cubitus on display, did not bother anyone to try on the wrist, just took a look

Are these wristwatches or wall clocks? They appear even more massive in person, and reinforce my initial thoughts that this is just not what I've come to expect from Patek

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

Swung by my local AD yesterday Gearys on Rodeo here in Beverly Hills

They have all 3 Cubitus on display, did not bother anyone to try on the wrist, just took a look

Are these wristwatches or wall clocks? They appear even more massive in person, and reinforce my initial thoughts that this is just not what I've come to expect from Patek

What do you expect from Patek which Patek doesn't already have in their catalog? Can you elaborate pls?

[Partekular]

One thing I do expect from Patek is discretion.. stealth wealth. I am not one to boast or show off my miscellaneous collection and would be mortified if my friends recognised one of them.


I really like to 5822P but it does shout out, a bit of bragging or flexing seems unavoidable. Wearing identifiable or shouty large pieces in cities is unwise but such necessary caution is off-putting. I am going to see it for myself soon so I may well modify my views after I try it on. It looks good on Stern’ wrist but then he is a larger man. If I like it in tteh metal I may well try for one.

[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

What do you expect from Patek? Can you elaborate pls?

I already have. The first new release in 25 years (their own words) is a Nautilus in every way shape and form, save for the very oversized cube case, from a company that the president said does not want to be known for the Nautilus

I don't recall Patek ever doing this before with any other model line, hitting copy paste, and using a drag tool to make the case far larger and that's it

What would I have expected? A new sporty model line that was the same as Aquanaut and Nautilus releases when they were released, something different

The bracelet, case design, clasp, finishing, look, feel is all 1000% Nautilus

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

What would I have expected? A new sporty model line that was the same as Aquanaut and Nautilus releases when they were released, something different

The 1976 Nautilus was effectively a v2 of the 1972 RO (more rounded edges than the RO) and the 1997 Aquanaut a v2 of the Nautilus (simpler case shape than the Nautilus). They were hardly revolutionary and not exactly the MB&F HM or Urwerk of the 70s and 90s.

[Gelateria]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

What do you expect from Patek? Can you elaborate pls?

Don't say patek doesn't want to be a nautilus company and then release a watch 90% close to the naut copying almost everything on it.

Don't claim you're discontinue the hype piece only to make a final edition in green for people to fight and then a final final Tiffany edition for Tiffany guys to fight

Don't make ultra vips fight each other for the olive green just to reuse the exact same dial on an unlimited edition.

Don't say they're releasing something for people to enter with when they're withholding the 'cheapest' aquanaut and then push some mutated nautilus to others

Don't be a hypocrite basically. I always laughed at the abomination that is the ap code but firstly they tried, secondly they are no hypocrites like patek when it comes to games

The only way for patek to move forward and stop people comparing the fashion watch company is to criticise patek when they fucked up, not trying to find all the excuses in the world for them

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Gelateria

Don't say patek doesn't want to be a nautilus company and then release a watch 90% close to the naut copying almost everything on it.

Don't claim you're discontinue the hype piece only to make a final edition in green for people to fight and then a final final Tiffany edition for Tiffany guys to fight

Don't make ultra vips fight each other for the olive green just to reuse the exact same dial on an unlimited edition.

Don't say they're releasing something for people to enter with when they're withholding the 'cheapest' aquanaut and then push some mutated nautilus to others

Don't be a hypocrite basically. I always laughed at the abomination that is the ap code but firstly they tried, secondly they are no hypocrites like patek when it comes to games

The only way for patek to move forward and stop people comparing the fashion watch company is to criticise patek when they fucked up, not trying to find all the excuses in the world for them

Yes I noticed you (via this account) have done a fair share of criticism and no one is stopping you repeating your attacks on Patek. I was asking the other account what he expects from Patek on a new sport release which Patek doesn't already have.

I created this thread for my first impression of the Cubitus but pls feel free to carry on your attacks on Patek, Thierry Stern and Cubitus like the other 100 hate threads and accounts.

[boa2]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

The 1976 Nautilus was effectively a v2 of the 1972 RO (more rounded edges than the RO) and the 1997 Aquanaut a v2 of the Nautilus (simpler case shape of the Nautilus). They were hardly revolutionary and not exactly the MB&F HM or Urwerk of the 70s and 90s.

Don't remind me. In 1998 I was offered the Aquanaut with strap & bracelet brand new from an AD for 35% off retail.

[Partekular]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I created this thread for my first impression of the Cubitus but pls feel free to carry on your attacks on Patek, Thierry Stern and Cubitus like the other 100 hate threads and accounts.

Your first impression was appreciated.

For what it’s worth, I am not attacking Patek - on the contrary I really like a lot of their pieces. I am however disappointed by the design of the Cubitus, it is a pastiche Nautilus. There’s no getting away from the fact that it looks like a square Nautilus. I like the mechanism in the 5822P but hesitate to commmit for reasons I laid out above. I will wait until I try one on before making a definitive decisions about it.

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

The 1976 Nautilus was effectively a v2 of the 1972 RO (more rounded edges than the RO) and the 1997 Aquanaut a v2 of the Nautilus (simpler case shape than the Nautilus). They were hardly revolutionary and not exactly the MB&F HM or Urwerk of the 70s and 90s.

Michael, in all fairness, I don’t think comparing the Cubitus to the Nautilus is remotely the same as comparing the Nautilus to the Royal Oak.

Of course, the obvious difference in the comparison is they are of different companies.

In addition, and as relevant, is the design language between the RO and the Nautilus is very different — from the dial, to the case shape, to the bracelet. Sure, they were designed by the same legend, Genta, and they have deference to each other, yet he made them quite different in every way that the Cubitus is the same as the Nautilus.

And that is really the salient point, and shows why it is okay to “outsource” design sometimes, which Thierry recently said (I believe in his interview post the launch, IIRC) that Patek tried in the past, but it was unsuccessful (which is mind boggling of course, when you consider the Nautilus).

Thierry just concocted the Cubitus by changing the Nautilus case shape and making it oversized. Everything else remained the same (i.e., the dial, the movement of the 3 hander, the bracelet)…

The Aquanaut was an evolution in most regards from the Nautilus. The case, the dial, and of course the introduction of a rubber strap.

There will be those who like / love the Cubitus, but as a Patek collector, I am disappointed in the release.

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Michael, in all fairness, I don’t think comparing the Cubitus to the Nautilus is remotely the same as comparing the Nautilus to the Royal Oak.

Of course, the obvious difference in the comparison is they are of different companies.

In addition, and as relevant, is the design language between the RO and the Nautilus is very different — from the dial, to the case shape, to the bracelet. Sure, they were designed by the same legend, Genta, and they have deference to each other, yet he made them quite different in every way that the Cubitus is the same as the Nautilus.

And that is really the salient point, and shows why it is okay to “outsource” design sometimes, which Thierry recently said (I believe in his interview post the launch, IIRC) that Patek tried in the past, but it was unsuccessful (which is mind boggling of course, when you consider the Nautilus).

Thierry just concocted the Cubitus by changing the Nautilus case shape and making it oversized. Everything else remained the same (i.e., the dial, the movement of the 3 hander, the bracelet)…

The Aquanaut was an evolution in most regards from the Nautilus. The case, the dial, and of course the introduction of a rubber strap.

There will be those who like / love the Cubitus, but as a Patek collector, I am disappointed in the release.

If it was me, I would make the case 150% larger, make the bezel ceramic or rubber and thicken the bracelet and make an interchangable strap. Call it Naut-on-land. Oh wait that's an offshore :)

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by Bearxj86

If it was me, I would make the case 150% larger, make the bezel ceramic or rubber and thicken the bracelet and make an interchangable strap. Call it Naut-on-land. Oh wait that's an offshore :)

… I think you’re on to something, my friend!

[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Yes I noticed you (via this account) have done a fair share of criticism and no one is stopping you repeating your attacks on Patek. I was asking the other account what he expects from Patek on a new sport release which Patek doesn't already have.

I created this thread for my first impression of the Cubitus but pls feel free to carry on your attacks on Patek, Thierry Stern and Cubitus like the other 100 hate threads and accounts.

My apologies, I posted on your thread as I felt it reflected opinions from people who have actually seen the watch at their AD, I would have been happy to create my own thread but figured it would fit better here rather than create the 101st hate thread separately

I'm just a fart in a hurricane but I've owned many Pateks, requested private tours of the museum, visited the salons, and it's my favorite watch brand, in fact one of my favorite luxury brands in general. These forums are a place for expression for us enthusiasts and the vitriol that Patek has seen thrown their way from the Cubitus IMO speaks volumes. Patek could have come up with literally anything for this new release and there would be critics no doubt, but to do what they did as the first new release in 25 years was pretty mind blowing, and for the first time as far as I can remember it doesn't seem like a minority opinion that this was a big f up

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

My apologies, I posted on your thread as I felt it reflected opinions from people who have actually seen the watch at their AD, I would have been happy to create my own thread but figured it would fit better here rather than create.....
(big snip)
... but to do what they did as the first new release in 25 years was pretty mind blowing, and for the first time as far as I can remember it doesn't seem like a minority opinion that this was a big f up

Like you and many others, we truly did hope Thierry would create something... and not the Nautilus². In the past 25 years look at what MB&F has accomplished, Kari V, Armin Strom, H. Moser, etc etc etc and of course FPJ.

Thierry had 25 years, and what he chose to create has been presented.

"The more you suffer
The more it shows you really care, right?"
-- Offspring


And that's just how it is. And while disheartening for some, it may provide us a deeper appreciation for guys like Max Busser who inspires passionate lovers of great horology... and fun... and fascination. H. Moser makes fun of life, us, them, themselves, and also happen to create some impressive timepieces. Oh, there's also Czapek, you know, the other half of some other brand long ago.... so many great choices, enjoy your time.

or just be silly with your time :)
trick or treat

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[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Like you and many others, we truly did hope Thierry would create something... and not the Nautilus². In the past 25 years look at what MB&F has accomplished, Kari V, Armin Strom, H. Moser, etc etc etc and of course FPJ.

Thierry had 25 years, and what he chose to create has been presented.

"The more you suffer
The more it shows you really care, right?"
-- Offspring


And that's just how it is. And while disheartening for some, it may provide us a deeper appreciation for guys like Max Busser who inspires passionate lovers of great horology... and fun... and fascination. H. Moser makes fun of life, us, them, themselves, and also happen to create some impressive timepieces. Oh, there's also Czapek, you know, the other half of some other brand long ago.... so many great choices, enjoy your time.

or just be silly with your time :)
trick or treat

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Haha amen! Enjoying my Nautilus and Aquanauts even more lately

[APhound]

I’m enjoying my nautilus aquanauts and other Pateks but I really don’t see why everyone’s so upset with the cubitus?
I’ll admit I don’t have hands one experience with it yet but I know i’m going to want it.
Think about Rolex all their watches look more similar than the nautilus does to the cube? We all love the nautilus. What’s the problem ?
Can Patek guys really not handle change? Besides- they didn’t discontinue the nautilus. I feel like I’m missing something here


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[Gelateria]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Yes I noticed you (via this account) have done a fair share of criticism and no one is stopping you repeating your attacks on Patek. I was asking the other account what he expects from Patek on a new sport release which Patek doesn't already have.

I created this thread for my first impression of the Cubitus but pls feel free to carry on your attacks on Patek, Thierry Stern and Cubitus like the other 100 hate threads and accounts.

That is extremely disappointing from you. You're confusing patek and ts (or maybe you're right they're the same thing).
If you're here to hear positive and glowing review only then you're in for a surprise. I saw the cubitus in person too and I have the exact reaction as I said above.

Let's clear it up again. I see ts and patek as two entirely different individual. I'm a patek owner as well (yea sorry not even a fraction of what you own), but how can you not be disappointed with this copy pasta and all the comments that go with ts...

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

Michael, in all fairness, I don’t think comparing the Cubitus to the Nautilus is remotely the same as comparing the Nautilus to the Royal Oak.

Of course, the obvious difference in the comparison is they are of different companies.

In addition, and as relevant, is the design language between the RO and the Nautilus is very different — from the dial, to the case shape, to the bracelet. Sure, they were designed by the same legend, Genta, and they have deference to each other, yet he made them quite different in every way that the Cubitus is the same as the Nautilus.

And that is really the salient point, and shows why it is okay to “outsource” design sometimes, which Thierry recently said (I believe in his interview post the launch, IIRC) that Patek tried in the past, but it was unsuccessful (which is mind boggling of course, when you consider the Nautilus).

Thierry just concocted the Cubitus by changing the Nautilus case shape and making it oversized. Everything else remained the same (i.e., the dial, the movement of the 3 hander, the bracelet)…

The Aquanaut was an evolution in most regards from the Nautilus. The case, the dial, and of course the introduction of a rubber strap.

There will be those who like / love the Cubitus, but as a Patek collector, I am disappointed in the release.

I agree the Cubitus is a Nautilus with a different dimensions and I have already made that clear in this thread. I specifically brought MB&F and Urwerk into this discussion because design-wise there are nothing like them in the market. The 76 Nautilus was much closer in design to the 72 RO than the MB&F and Urwerk of this era. It was hardly revolutionary in that regard which was my point to that account. I don't see the 76 Nautilus release equivalent to the HM9 today.

[vliberman]

What u have is a typical reaction when one realizes that storied brand like PP is no more… it can’t innovate in the environment where there is plenty of competition that can… TS is a bust horologically and now that is exposed. There is no more pretending.

Cubitus is a fine watch in a way Omega produces fine watches. It is not at the level of the best in the industry.

Bringing up MB&F or Urwerk highlights that point. MB&F introduced a dozen of new models, some successfully others not. But one won’t question brands ability to innovate and have new desirable offerings. Can u say the same of PP?

Will TS acknowledge his shortcomings and correct the course or will he insist that haters be hating??

[Gelateria]

Originally Posted by vliberman

What u have is a typical reaction when one realizes that storied brand like PP is no more… it can’t innovate in the environment where there is plenty of competition that can… TS is a bust horologically and now that is exposed. There is no more pretending.

Cubitus is a fine watch in a way Omega produces fine watches. It is not at the level of the best in the industry.

Bringing up MB&F or Urwerk highlights that point. MB&F introduced a dozen of new models, some successfully others not. But one won’t question brands ability to innovate and have new desirable offerings. Can u say the same of PP?

Will TS acknowledge his shortcomings and correct the course or will he insist that haters be hating??

Completely on your side about TS but you're missing the mark a little when it comes to offerings.
Patek has loads of work of art. Enamel paintings, wood marquetry etc, they are exquisite art pieces that I believe are absolutely no less desirable than the mb&f and urwerks. In some sense I would say mb&f and urwerk need to use innovativeness to capture crowd attention, but for some patek (and vc les cabinotiers) they're well above this level. They're just so much more traditional and isn't eye catching for a lot of 'enthusiasts'. To me, a pp enamel MR is way more desirable than an urwerk, to each his own but I'm sure the desire is still there.
A key difference is very small amount of people targeting those pp and vc art work will frequent forums like this, they are just at another level of appreciating and collecting watches,so it almost looks like the interest is not there.

TS is an absolute douche but you need to respect what patek does at their highest level

[bob101]

Although I am not a big fan I can see the business decision and place for the cubitus line or similar with younger generation that like big attention seeking watches. This is pretty evident with the offshore and the Richard Mille. I can see this would get younger generation familiar with Patek brand and the design of the dial and the colours similar to the nautilus.
I expect the nautilus will be white gold, rose gold, two tone only moving forward and the same with the aquanaut. The cubitus will be one of the few steel lines and that way maximise profits on the more sought after sports pieces. Like the code 59 you probably have to buy a few dress pieces and a cubitus first before being considered for nautilus and aquanaut range.
I prefer vintage Patek but still hope they release some new calatrava line and perhaps a new manual chronograph which may be of interest at a more regular old man size :). Thus naturally for me the smaller size calatrava 35mm and and above, jumbo of its era for 40s/50s and onwards complications pieces are much more interesting.

I don’t think Thierry is doing a bad job per se, it’s a difficult gig to please everyone. Imagine following the old man and all those amazing watches released up until early 2000s. Tough act to follow.
Yes the interview doesn’t come across well but can imagine the pressure involved isn’t easy at times.
I guess variety is always key and lots of different designers with different ideas has always been something Patek have had. Dial designers case designers. I hope they can be brave again in the future.

[GeorgeK]

Originally Posted by bob101

Like the code 59 you probably have to buy a few dress pieces and a cubitus first before being considered for nautilus and aquanaut range.

That is an instant disqualifyer for me. A salesman, or a company that know nothing of me decide whether I am fit to wear a specific watch? Not with me.

That and the fact that the Cubitus fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.