“The Supercase was a mistake!”

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by bmb15

You are joking! Rolex couldn't care less.

The revisionist history on the Supercase is rising to epic proportions (no pun intended).

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by JR16

A 10 year mistake. Lol.


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Like a divorce where the 11 series will win the breakup. Great watch and history will prove so.

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by WastedYears

Some of those measurements are incorrect. I suspect they were compiled from other erroneous sources.

I've owned 4, 5 and 6 digit Subs and the 116610 remains my personal favourite. There are no mistakes, simply different designs. The premise of this thread, and the video on which it is based, are merely personal opinion - in the case of the video, intended to generate as many views as possible. To extend the 'mistake' logic, it could be argued that any previous version is a mistake becuase it was superseded. A successful 12 year run speaks for itself, regardless of your personal opinion of the design. Rolex has discontinued or redesigned other watches (such as the SD4000) after much shorter production runs - were they all 'mistakes' too?

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Psmith

Some of those measurements are incorrect. I suspect they were compiled from other erroneous sources.

I've owned 4, 5 and 6 digit Subs and the 116610 remains my personal favourite. There are no mistakes, simply different designs. The premise of this thread, and the video on which it is based, are merely personal opinion - in the case of the video, intended to generate as many views as possible. To extend the 'mistake' logic, it could be argued that any previous version is a mistake becuase it was superseded. A successful 12 year run speaks for itself, regardless of your personal opinion of the design. Rolex has discontinued or redesigned other watches (such as the SD4000) after much shorter production runs - were they all 'mistakes' too?

Great point Clive, a detail that I even overlooked. You're explanation is akin to Ockams razor, nothing convoluted going on here, it's just a new watch, that's all.
New cars, new houses, new clothes, there's always an evolution.
If you tell me the Ferrari F40 design was a mistake because the Enzo was such a design departure.....(facepalm)you need counseling.
Opinions and discussions are great, I welcome them and that's the only reason I participate in some of these threads, sometimes I feel like a contrarian as a consequence, but let's all be conscious not to pass off opinions as objective facts.

[Wizardly]

The Supercase is THE modern Sub. Sorry, IMHO the new one is watered down. The new collectible.

[Wizardly]

C&C are trolling. Who the hell cares what they think?

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Wizardly

C&C are trolling. Who the hell cares what they think?

You didn’t like the video? They have 68K subscribers and the video received 11,000+ views and a 94% positive rating in only 24 hours. Fairly impressive.

[Wizardly]

Originally Posted by illiguy

like a divorce where the 11 series will win the breakup. Great watch and history will prove so.

lol

[Wembleyisgreen]

The Supercase is going to be very collectible as it’s the only series of the Submariner that had such exaggerated proportions. People collect uniqueness. Just wait...

[cvo]

Each Rolex reference can hold its own - not like the Porsche 996 gen.

[Wizardly]

Originally Posted by cvo

each rolex reference can hold its own - not like the porsche 996 gen.

lol

[cvo]

Not a mistake - generational evolution. Just like skinny jeans, thin is in.

[thenewrick]

Originally Posted by cvo

Each Rolex reference can hold its own - not like the Porsche 996 gen.

I actually like the 996. Egg eyes or whatever. First water cooled 911 right? First is a flag that flies forever.

[thenewrick]

Originally Posted by cvo

Not a mistake - generational evolution. Just like skinny jeans, thin is in.

Maxicase fans be like, “2009 4ever”

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

The Supercase is going to be very collectible as it’s the only series of the Submariner that had such exaggerated proportions. People collect uniqueness. Just wait...

I would love to see that, but it had been in production for 10 years. Hardly a rarity


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[cvo]

Originally Posted by thenewrick

I actually like the 996. Egg eyes or whatever. First water cooled 911 right? First is a flag that flies forever.

Correct - since the 997 gen and forward, headlights are back to oval shape. There are lots of bargains On 996 models, turbos for $50k.

[cvo]

Originally Posted by thenewrick

Maxicase fans be like, “2009 4ever”

Too funny! 😊

[bmb15]

Originally Posted by thenewrick

I actually like the 996. Egg eyes or whatever. First water cooled 911 right? First is a flag that flies forever.

Porsche 996 (8th generation of the 911) drivers also wear supercases.

[doramas]

For me, yes, but it's a matter of personal taste

[thlax]

Originally Posted by noshame

I own an 116610LN and love the look of the supercase. I'm often confused when members talk about how the sub is a great tool watch, so solid, rugged, and tough, yet they want it to have "slim" lugs and a more "elegant" case shap. I appreciate the style of the 5-digit subs, but I also appreciate the bold risk Rolex took with the supercase. I respect people's opinions, but I get a little tired when people bash the supercase, especially when they haven't tried one on. Also, I could be wrong, but I believe the absolute outside to outside lug width in the new 12xxxx is similar to the 11xxxx, but because of the increase in bracelet width from 20 to 21mm, there is an optical illusion that the lugs are slimmer.

Sorry just needed to comment on a few things after I read your post.

-I owned both a 2020 end of release 40mm sub and had the first sub date in my city for the new 41mm sub date so I have direct comparison (look at post history)

- it is not an “optical illusion” that the lugs are slimmer on the new 41mm sub because of the wider bracelet...its fact. The lugs are slimmer

- any argument that you have about not understanding why someone would want ‘slimmer lugs’ lugs on a tool watch is asinine. The newer 41mm is MUCH more of a tank and tool watch due to the wider and proportional bracelet now. The difference between going between the old bracelet and new bracelet is like trying on a Rolex with Non-SEL vs. SEL. The old bracelet feels so skinny in flimsy now.

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[Kostas]

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The difference between going between the old bracelet and new bracelet is like trying on a Rolex with Non-SEL vs. SEL. The old bracelet feels so skinny in flimsy now.

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Is this true? flimsy?

[Rolexxus]

Now looking back at the supercase its so ugly...

[Mac-427]

Just check out the prices of Blockheads on this Forum. They're going through the roof which means somebody likes them.

[armybuck041]

Although an equally polarizing change, I think the addition of the inner AR coating on the 12 is a bigger story than the lug dimensions.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by vh2k

They have 68K subscribers and the video received 11,000+ views and a 94% positive rating in only 24 hours.

And?

[brandrea]

IMHO, it was a well done video with more detailed information than most I’ve seen. His explanation of the bracelet taper for example ...

I may not agree with his statement, but even the presenter admits the comparisons are done on a very “granular level”.

The previous Submariner was a smash hit by anyone’s measure of success. It may not appeal to some but there’s no denying it’s place amoung the very best designs IMO.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

And?

Did you watch the video? Surely, you can come up with a slightly more substantive and constructive comment than that?

[thenewrick]

I’m standing by my opinion that the Hulk is the JNCO jeans of Rolex.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Rolexxus

Now looking back at the supercase its so ugly...

That's a tad harsh, but fair, opinion. Some might offer a more nuanced perspective... that, in retrospect, the lug design on the 11 Supercase appears less elegant and refined than that of its successor.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by zengineer

Just to my eye. I understand it is a very popular watch and that I am very much in the minority. I am the worlds foremost expert on my own opinion.

The Dukes of Hazard was the number 1 TV show for several years. I didn't get much out of that either.

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Very good point!