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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
Yes, no issues |
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1,045 | 69.90% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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62 | 4.15% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 25.95% |
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I assumed you were across the full scope of work when Rolex repairs the 32xx movements. The worn parts are automatically replaced with new ones. There's no point leaving them in there as that's actually what the problem is. They have to be replaced to start afresh ![]() Parts are routinely replaced at a normal service as well. |
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So two interesting things happened today:
1. Watch gained more time overnight (1.8s) than typical (0.8-1.2s/d). 2. Watch lost a bit of time first part of the day, but started to gain again in the late afternoon. I know it's tough to tell without a timegrapher, but the question then becomes: Is the PR getting depleted, causing the additional overnight/earlier gains, or is there a potential amplitude issue indicative of "COVID-32" (yea, that's what I'm calling it now...)? Overall, watch still keeping excellent time, and we all have off days, of course. |
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Do not wind this movement (now) and continue to place it DU overnight. On average, this movement gains about 0.5 s/d and (so far) it looks consistent on your graph, which is most important. |
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Thanks. Wasn't planning to wind again until I have to reset next week anyways. So, when you talk of "consistency" it seems what matters is the overall gain/loss over the course of the day, and how much of the overnight gains are cancelled out by the daytime losses (even if the "daytime" and "nighttime" components aren't entirely consistent)?
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I posted in this thread half a year ago saying that I have two watches with 32xx and no issues. Unfortunately it seems to be no longer true. My DJ41 bought in September 2019 was running spot on for the first half of the year. Then it slowed down to approx. -0,5s per day. I was observing this watch wishing the issue won't develop but unfortunately now it's running around -2,5s per day. I have an impression that a lot of movements may be affected by this 'disease' and it's only a matter of when it's going to manifest itself (2 years in my case). The worst part of this is the fact there is no permanent fix for this, so I will probably end up sending my watch to RSC every year. Frustrating
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For my non-sentimental watch, it was an extremely cleansing feeling when I moved it on, got my money back and purchased a replacement. My DJ that is still showing issues still nags at me. |
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Btw, there is nothing 'permanent' with a mechanical movement. |
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Call it long term fix if you prefer, we know what we're talking about here, a fix that doesn't require bringing your watch back to the RSC every year or so. A fix where there's no unexpected wear on a part (seconds hand axle). Something that will last 5 to 10 years until the next service, as we've been used to with Rolex.
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- How much your watch loses during the day and how much overnight? - What is the resting position overnight? - You changed resting position? - How do you measure the timekeeping? |
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1. It's more or less equal. Around 1 second on the wrist, around 1 second during the night.
2. I have been leaving it DU ever since I bought it. Tonight I tried DD for the first time, I will report if this has changed anything in the long run. 3. Mentioned above, will report back what it looks like now. 4. I check it against time. is twice a day. |
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It would be interesting to see your collection of data over a few days or weeks.
Timekeeping compensation depends on watch position at rest; good that you changed from DU (dial up) to DD (dial down) overnight, to see if this makes a difference. I case you have access to a timegrapher, a measurement of the movement amplitudes and rates in 5 positions (after full winding) can give a good indication. Anyhow, if you read already this (long) thread you know that already. |
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Oh that’s great news. I’ll send my dj back in then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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My two-year old BLNR has been losing substantial time lately--over 1 minute per week. My AD sent in to Rolex for a servicing. Disappointing. Hope my 10 month old BLRO doesn't exhibit same symptoms.
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I dont think we will ever know for 100% sure that Rolex have fixed any problems that there may or may not be with the 32xx movements. Rolex have managed to be one of the most secretrive companies around. They certainly do not make generally available knowledge about what they may or may not have done, changed, fixed or anything else. They are super secretive about everything. Just look at what happens when they release a new model. For many years They waited until Baselworld and even then the new models were covered up in the showcases until literally the moment the show opened. Nobody got to see the new models. All the speculation, guessed and wishes that we all see on the many forums were just nothing more than guesses. Every year Rolex stumped everybody. No leaks at all from Rolex. Amazing security. There are two so called "Tech Experts" on this forum. I do not know where either of them work but I think we can all be pretty sure that its not at Rolex in Geneva or Biel/Bienne. If that is the case they will not be privy to everything that Rolex HQ know. Rolex do update the service requirements for individual models occasionally and they even update parts but those parts have the same part number as previous versions so no one really can tell whats gone on. Rolex do continually monitor what is happening with their movements, both new and old, and they act accordingly. Having said all of that the OP41 range, that you so sensibly hanker after, have a movement that is now well tried and tested and any watch you find at an AD will be pretty fresh production and its very doubtful that you will have a problem. It is not known, and Rolex will never say, if any new production watch has a movement that was made in any specific year. My guess is that rolex would "Rotate" their stocks of movements and use old one first and as rolex have continually been producing watches the stocks are probably rotated enough so that any movement being used now was updated if needed during its production. This I must add is pure speculation. Speaking for myself, I have 2 watches with different 32xx movements and both are behaving excellently. My Conclusion for you .... Go shopping, Get that DJ41 Don't delay.
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What you say makes sense, Charles and thanks for your input as well.
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Hello all once again,
As is now customary for me I have been continually monitoring a couple of my watches and looking the readings. I bought my Submariner-Date model 126610LN in late September 2020. It has the 3235 movement. It started off in “Life” behaving extremely well and timekeeping was superlative. It has been running since it was new continuously even if I have been wearing another watch. I have been taking watch tracker (An app on my iPhone) data and also used my Timegrapher. My Sub-Date has started to show some signs of it perhaps not doing as well as I hoped. The timekeeping average (X) in seconds per day (s/d) has been decreasing steadily. It started off for the first 2 or 3 months doing very well but as time has gone on it has continued the downward trend and is now losing about 1.5 s/d. Of course, this is within the stated Rolex tolerances but it is a trend that I need to keep monitoring as this may be the beginning of the so-called 3235 curse. My good friend saxo3 has prepared a graph which he kindly sent to me and I have added it below showing the problem. (My Submariner is in red). On the same graph, he has shown a comparison with his Sea-Dweller model 126600 bought in October 2017. (Saxo3’s Sea-Dweller is in Blue). The Vertical scale is in seconds per day (s/d) and the horizontal scale is is days after purchase from new. On this graph, you can see how similarly the two watches ran in the beginning but saxo3’s Sea Dweller clearly developed the curse and after 2 years of ownership its timekeeping was extremely poor loosing almost 12 s/d. That obviously is outside any normal acceptable tolerances and it was taken in to saxo3’s local RSC. After a period of time it was returned and the improvement is clearly and very apparent and is now gaining time daily, consistently. Rolex clearly did something to “Fix” this Sea-Dweller. Obviously, Rolex will not say what they did and if they replaced any parts but it certainly looks as if they did a lot more than just a simple regulation. I am certainly no mathematician, darn it, I can’t make a graph and that’s why saxo3 is so helpful to me as he is a guru at doing graphs (and other things). You may notice vertical lines going through every data point. These are error bars, they show the standard deviation (1 sigma value) of the 5-positions measurements. Even with these error bars nothing changes … the graphs are still remarkably similar. A point that is interesting is that these two watches were bought in 2017 and 2020. There seems to be no difference between their performance and it is therefore unlikely that any significant improvements to the movements were made between the two production dates. So, my conclusion: … I now need to keep on monitoring and logging the timekeeping of my Submariner-Date with its 3235 movement. Has the beginning of the onset of the 3235 curse shown itself? ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I have added below a screen shot of my WatchTracker app page that has been monitoring my Submariner-Date.
You can clearly see the downward trend and I can not compensate overnight with any position. It seems to be in a downward (Loss) trend, which fits with the graph from saxo3. ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Oh no. This is what happened with 126655. Thought I avoided the issue for the longest time and then it started to look like your time tracker graph. Amp dropping? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hi again, Yes the Amplitude does seem to be dropping slowly. I just don’t seem to ever have the higher (280 ish) amplitudes after a full wind that I used to have. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Considering the 3135 had an official lifespan of 27 years (1988 to the introduction of the 3235 in 2015) - if we assume the 3235 will have a similar lifespan, it means we're still seeing the same problem almost 20% through its life. |
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I am afraid only more time will tell to prove if i have the 3235 curse or not.
I expect Rolex make the movements in large bulk before they are released into any watch at all but over the years I woud have expected the faults to have been found by Rolex and rectified in any new movements made today. It is rumoured that when Rolex get a watch in for service etc the movemnet is checked and updated parts are fitted if needed. The problem is the owner is never told. Its all too secretive.
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