32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Damn! Nice work on this, guys!

I just strap that sucker on and head out.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

[saxo3]

Explorer II (caliber 3285) timegrapher measurement data, presented by CharlesN in post #2793, are graphically displayed from the date of purchase (09.07.2021) until 19.08.2022.

Only his measurements after full winding of the movement are shown in the 3 graphs below.


FIG. 1: Amplitudes: horizontal AND vertical decrease since purchase date.


FIG. 2: Rates: horizontal remain constant BUT vertical decrease since purchase date.


FIG. 3: Amplitudes and rates are correlated and decrease since purchase date.

For this 3285 the movement issue has started within the first year after watch purchase in July 2021. There are not enough data to conclude much more.

It should be mentioned that the timekeeping of this watch is still very good. Therefore, it is difficult to identify without instrumentation if a 32xx is good or not.

I hope that helps all interested TRF members.

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Explorer II (caliber 3285) timegrapher measurement data, presented by CharlesN in post #2793, are graphically displayed from the date of purchase (09.07.2021) until 19.08.2022.

Only his measurements after full winding of the movement are shown in the 3 graphs below.


FIG. 1: Amplitudes: horizontal AND vertical decrease since purchase date.


FIG. 2: Rates: horizontal remain constant BUT vertical decrease since purchase date.


FIG. 3: Amplitudes and rates are correlated and decrease since purchase date.

For this 3285 the movement issue has started within the first year after watch purchase in July 2021. There are not enough data to conclude much more.

It should be mentioned that the timekeeping of this watch is still very good. Therefore, it is difficult to identify without instrumentation if a 32xx is good or not.

I hope that helps all interested TRF members.

How is it good when X is 10.5 after 45 hours.. I expect this result to be much less if the calibre is performing within specs aka -2/+2 spd?


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Omarion07

How is it good when X is 10.5 after 45 hours.. I expect this result to be much less if the calibre is performing within specs aka -2/+2 spd?

I said that the timekeeping of this watch is still very good and should have added when Charles is wearing his Explorer II during daytime with rest in dial up position overnight.

In this configuration, the 3285 caliber is never at complete rest for either 24 or 45 hours but gets wound during wrist movement the day. That keeps the amplitudes high enough to prevent a significant loss, integrated over 24 hours.

With dial up position overnight, this caliber can be position-compensated for time losses, which happens during the day. All together the timekeeping rests very good, but that will very likely change during the coming months if the amplitudes (after full winding!) continue to decrease.

My 3 graphs do not show (very) bad movement characteristics, but the 32xx issue has started to develop within the first year.

In simple words: this 3285 loses time (on the wrist) during the day and gains at rest in dial up position overnight. The net effect is good timekeeping, as long as the amplitudes do not further decrease in the coming months.

Understood?

The -2/+2 sec/day specs for movement precision is something different.

PS: X = -10.3 s/d is of course not good after 45 hours!

[Megalobyte]

When I recently decided to get another James Cameron DeepSea to replace the one I foolishly traded away a few years ago, I was very pleased to find a fully stickered new old stock 3135 powered one from 2017. It has begun its life gaining a steady 3 a day. I expect it’ll slow slightly in time. But not 32 series slow. :)

My prior JC was amazingly accurate, gained a rock solid one second a day. I’m of the opinion that 31 series is still the way to go if you care about accuracy.

[Tommy125]

Originally Posted by Megalobyte

When I recently decided to get another James Cameron DeepSea to replace the one I foolishly traded away a few years ago, I was very pleased to find a fully stickered new old stock 3135 powered one from 2017. It has begun its life gaining a steady 3 a day. I expect it’ll slow slightly in time. But not 32 series slow. :)

My prior JC was amazingly accurate, gained a rock solid one second a day. I’m of the opinion that 31 series is still the way to go if you care about accuracy.

Just curious, when you say steady, are you talking about regardless of wearing conditions? Because for my watch now (2019 datejust), it can gain between -1 to +1 (values rounded up/down) depending on how long I sleep and leave the watch dial up.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Tommy125

Just curious, when you say steady, are you talking about regardless of wearing conditions?
I don't expect that, neither for a 31xx nor 32xx nor 15xx.

Because for my watch now (2019 datejust), it can gain between -1 to +1 (values rounded up/down) depending on how long I sleep and leave the watch dial up.
That is normal. All my mechanical watches show a day-night variance. It only is a question how close you are looking at it.

[CharlesN]

Just for clarity I have just completed another Power Reserve test on my ..

Rolex Explorer II 226570 that has a 3285 caliber movement.

I have only shown below the reading at the start of the test and one after 62 Hours. The watch has not stopped but all meaningful data has been collected.

Asa usual all the normal parameters, method and behaviour was followed.,

The purpose of this is just to show the variance between start and end. I thought some of you might find it interesting. (If you don't feel free to ignore this post).



The Start of the Power Reserve Test.




After 62 Hours of the Power Reserve Test.



To add a more graphic view perhaps at the same time as doing the Power treserve test I also ran a WatchTracker log.

The watch was in the CH (Thats Dial Up) position all the time unless it was being measured on the Timegrapher which happened 6 times each time for a total of 320 seconds out of the CH position.
That gives atotal of 320 x 6 = 1920 seconds or 32mins. That is too insignificant to alter any readings.

Of course here the Watchtracker graph for you to see as well.



WatchTracker Log during Power Reserve Test

[Aerogph]

This was one of the highest recordings

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Aerogph

This was one of the highest recordings

Interesting, an old Witschi Watch Expert, market introduction was in 1989.

Probably 20-30 years old? I would check its calibration

What do we learn from this single photo?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Aerogph

This was one of the highest recordings

Its great to see another Witschi in use here, regardless of age.

[omar-rye]

Excuse my ignorance as I have only skimmed through a small portion of this thread, but is this issue also found on pieces that were sold in 2022 or late 2021?

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

Excuse my ignorance as I have only skimmed through a small portion of this thread, but is this issue also found on pieces that were sold in 2022 or late 2021?

Late 2021 yes I personally have a Nov 21 DD that has gone bad. Fair few others as well.

2022 I think so but can't 100% confirm.

I recently got a july 22 32xx, I'll report back if it goes bad. likely need to wait awhile.

[WatchSmith]

About a year and a half ago I built a 3235 using a broken clone movement and adding genuine parts. It has run perfectly since the day I built it. At full wind the amplitude gets in the 270s. This is off the wrist this morning and not getting much winding motion. I think the 3235 is a solid movement. At least my hybrid is.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by triplock

i built a 3235 .

Wot !!!


No pictures ????????

Which parts needed to be replaced ? What hairspring have you used ?

[WatchSmith]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Wot !!!


No pictures ????????

Which parts needed to be replaced ? What hairspring have you used ?

I swapped in a genuine balance & bridge, auto wind system, pallet fork and escape wheel, mainspring and barrel, winding crown.

I have pics but I don't think they allow that here.

[Smobews]

Originally Posted by Triplock

About a year and a half ago I built a 3235 using a broken clone movement and adding genuine parts. It has run perfectly since the day I built it. At full wind the amplitude gets in the 270s. This is off the wrist this morning and not getting much winding motion. I think the 3235 is a solid movement. At least my hybrid is.

Lift angle is 53 on 32xx movements, not 55

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Smobews

Lift angle is 53 on 32xx movements, not 55

A modified clone movement is not a Rolex 3235 caliber and should not be discussed in this thread.

It's not the first time that "Triplock", who said in another thread today that he is a watchmaker, presents a frankenwatch on this board!

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=26

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...2&postcount=43

[mailman]

Originally Posted by saxo3

A modified clone movement is not a Rolex 3235 caliber and should not be discussed in this thread.

It's not the first time that "Triplock", who said in another thread today that he is a watchmaker, presents a frankenwatch on this board!

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=26

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...2&postcount=43

So what's your point? He stated what is is and it isn't for sale. Jocke has posted numerous threads with pics of Rolex watches he has modified. Move on

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by mailman

So what's your point? He stated what is is and it isn't for sale. Jocke has posted numerous threads with pics of Rolex watches he has modified. Move on

The ignore feature is a marvelous invention. Obviously you need it as a moderator

[CharlesN]

The watch is clearly, by his own admission now, a fake.

I just hope it never gets onto the open market and some poor soul gets stung somewhere alomg the line.

I wonder what case it is in and would it qualify for a Rolex service at a RSC ?

[WatchSmith]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

The watch is clearly, by his own admission now, a fake.

I just hope it never gets onto the open market and some poor soul gets stung somewhere alomg the line.

I wonder what case it is in and would it qualify for a Rolex service at a RSC ?

It’s not for sale nor will it ever be. I like to make broken things work again. I have owned Rolex since the late 70s and as much as I love them, I don’t consider them holy relics. They’re a glorious assemblage of springs, bridges, and screws.

[Bizcut1]

You’re bound to upset some here with this. It will mess with their 3235 mantras.

And good for you. Carry on!

PS. For those of you who are stuck on the same record groove on this don’t waste your breath. You’re already blocked. Have a nice weekend.

[Bizcut1]

Not a surprise that you misunderstand who
I am referring to.

[saxo3]

3 days, 3 contributions, 0 content.
Move on!

[Andad]

No surprise as to who you are referring to E.

[Bizcut1]

Ok, pal. Take it easy.

Don’t blow a gasket.

[Tbird]

Wrt to the ball bearing balls increased: is a higher number of bearing balls not just for improved resistance of shocks? The axke in it has more area where it's supported now. Improved shock resistance could also lead to better timekeeping.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Tbird

Improved shock resistance could also lead to better timekeeping.

It Could, But, In this instance unfortunately, It doesn't

[Mystro]

Way too much effort and weight is given to this “informal” internet poll that ran its course. This is getting into tinfoil hat area with hyper analyzing unverified data by amateurs. Is this time consuming guessing game really fun for some people or is it the drone of endless cowbell that holds the appeal?
It’s a watch forum, not a laboratory.