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GMT2 16710 review
This is my newest acquistion, I bought this watch 2 months ago to fill the void in my collection of a multi timezone watch. The natural choices were the Omega and the Rolex of course as I prefer watches that can take a beating, call me rough or clumsy I like to be able do to whatever I want with my watches and not have to worry.
In anycase my final decision is this F serial GMT2 red/blk bought brand new from a AD here in Toronto. I chose the red/blk partially because of Bruce S and all the pics he had posted in the past on another forum. ![]() MOVEMENT This watch utilizes a modified version of Rolex's workhorse the 3135. The 3185 movement differs in 2 main areas, the quick set date function has been removed in favour of a quick-setting hour hand which jumps in one hour increments. The other thing is of course it has a 24 hour hand that can be independently adjusted from the regular hour hand. It is not as simple as it sounds to set the watch but I will get into this later. The 3185 movement (GMT2) differs from the old 3075 movement (GMT) in that the 3075 has a quickset date function, but the 24 hour hand is not independently adjustible. Therefore, a second timezone can only be set via the rotating bezel. (Please correct me if I am wrong on info about the GMT movement info as I am more familiar with the GMT2's 3185 movement) After a couple of months of use my watch is running +2 a day and I have no problems with this at all. LOOKS and FEEL. Overall the watch has a nice feel to it, it is lighter than my SD but heavier than my DJ. The case of the watch is as wide as the SD but is thinner than the SD while being larger than the DJ. It is fitted with a SS Oyster bracelet which I find gives the watch a perfect look and feel. Many complain about Rolex's bracelets but I have no probs with it. The watch is availible in 3 bezel choices. All black, red and black, and also the classic Pepsi (Red and Blue) I chose the Red/Blk because it stands out enough for it not to be confused with a Submariner, yet not too loud that it gets too much attention. The dial and hands are typical Rolex Professional, easy to read, no BS. One area that ppl complain about is the twinlock crown. Many feel that this crown is too small for watches fitted with crown guards, although it would be nice to see the triplock crown fitted on the Sub and SD I dont find the crown too bad to work with. NOTE: the Anniversary edition GMT2 has been fitted with the Triplock crown so its only a matter of time before Rolex starts putting it on the TT and SS models. Even Optimus Prime likes it ![]() SETTING THE WATCH. Now like I said this watch's 3185 movement loses the usual quickset date function that is found on all modern Rolex date models. This movement allows adjustment of the hour hand in one hour increments, this also allows the date to be adjusted in a semi quickset fashion. To adjust the date you will have to move the hour hand (in one hour jumps) backwards or forwards up to 24 times to change the date. This is the only movement in Rolex's line up that allows the date to be set backwards. To adjust the red 24 hour you must move the minute hand until the desired hour is reached on the red 24 hand. To set the watch, you must first use the minute hand to set the 24 hand and the proper minutes. Then set the hour hand to the desired local time. A third timezone can be tracked by using the bi-directional bezel. Thanks for reading. |
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Roger, if all it takes to determine the bezel color for you is to post a bunch of pictures, I would be happy to oblige. Let me show you why black is beautiful, my friend:
![]() I mean, it doesn't get any better than that now. ![]() ![]() P.S. In case you hadn't figured it out, this is my favorite watch of all time. ![]()
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Great review Roger, but I'm still confused as to what the red hour hand does.
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Its like we have said, its a red 24 hour hand but it moves one full circle around the dial every 24 hours as opposed to the regular hour hands 12 hour circle. This extra hour hand shows another timezone. The GMT2 is a multi timezone watch. HTH |
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Excellent review, Roger, thanks.
![]() I've had the distinct pleasure of owning the GMT as well as the GMT-II in the past. I've had three in all - the first being the pepsi bezel, then the red/black bezel and finally the all black bezel like Ed's. Great all round practical watch to own and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to anyone who so wishes to buy one. Go ahead....you won't be disappointed. JJ ![]()
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Just got my first Rolex on Wednesday, a GMT II, same as what Rockrolex has posted pictures of.
Quick impressions: Very comfortable. I like the smaller clasp on the GMT, even compared to the clasp on my SMP, as I'm a desk jockey and find it a bit less obtrusive under the wrist when I'm typing. The GMT seems to be about the perfect size for me, and while I do like physically bigger watches, this seems to exude a nice presence. Then again, that could be me staring at it all day. :) It seems to be very subdued. I kept my eyes open to see if anybody noticed it or did a double-take today, nary a one. Maybe it's the proliferation of "active" watches with dive bezels at work, who knows. I was originally a bit worried about the 24H hand making the dial seem cluttered, but I find it unobtrusive. The red of the hand isn't annoying, and the triangle-shaped pointer seems to blend in nicely amidst the hour markers. The only thing I'm reserving judgement on for now is the cyclops. While I find the date very readable and convenient, I think the face is magnificent on it's own without the additional lense. I'm going to reserve judgement until I've worn this a while longer. And my bezel and GMT hand is setup correctly. :) |
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Congrats, Scott, on an excellent acquisition. Now all we need is a nice picture!!
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Excellent review Roger
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GMT Master II review By Roger
Nice review and great pics mate. I hope to get one exactly the same soon with the rouge/noir lunette.
I had an Omega with 24 hour (GMT)hand and it was even more complex to set the time. Also, I found the bezel on the Omega was not that easy to read due to the way in which they had divided the segments of 24hrs. I always set the GMT hand on UTC because of my pastime of aircraft monitoring. Before I retired, I regularly traveled the Pacific Region and to CONUS, so I got used to UTC as a reference still used by my former employer. Where I live now there is no seasonal time changes, so I don't need to move the bezel. Rolex GMT Master I consider to be the best of the best multi time zone watches. Congrats and wear it in good health! ![]() ![]() Tardis |
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i almost bought another one recently, but bought a Sub-date instead. Mine was the same as yours, dk. red/black. I played tennis with it thru college, might not sound too bad, until you understand I am left handed, so the watch got a pounding being on my raquet hand. Also, learned how to snow ski with it in Vermont, fell down alot! Even dropped off of a two story balcony. Ran like a top. I didn't even service it for the ten years I had it, didn't know you had to!! It was given to me after H.S. graduation, and before I knew who much it costs (had no idea!), and how special these watches are. I just thought it was a nice watch, Eighteen, and ignorant I guess.
I will take my new Sub scuba diving, but no tennis,it totally gets babied! I now wonder how that GMT II survived??? Still have fond memories of that watch. |
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The first Rolex I ever owned was a Red/Blue GMT in the mid 70's. And I must admit it still throws me a little to see any GMT without the Red and Blue bezel. I gues that's more of you can't teach an old dog...
Yours is a real beauty. Great good luck. |
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GMT Master II red seconds hand?
I am about to purchase a 16710 but noticed that in the US at least the seconds hand is red while in Canada and on the Rolex website, the hand is green. Anyone know the reason for this. First thought was that the reds were fakes.
Also is it worth hanging on to my Submariner SS 16800 bought in the 80's or trading it in on the new watch. Is it likely to increase in value or is it just too common to ever be a collector item. |
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Red Seconds Hand
Sorry, I meant hours hand.
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The model pictured above is the older model with the RED 24-hour hand. This model is slowly being phased away and being replaced by the new model with the ceramic bezel and GREEN 24-hour hand.
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Red Hour Hand
Thanks JJ Irani. Great forum.
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good stuff
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I have a Pepsi Z series I bought in March of this year.
Its an extremely functional, comfortable and beautiful watch. The finish of the bling-edge of the bezel is more pronounced in my opinion on the GMT than it is on my Sea Dweller, giving it a different look. A fantastic watch, congratulations! Chris |
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Great review Roger, that sounds like quite an added bonus with the third time zone option.
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Excellent work...
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If you don't mind me asking, what was the price point of the piece ? and did they have a new Pepsi bezel in stock, or the new ceramic bezel type ? I'm close to Toronto
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You have excellent taste Roger.... just recently picked up MY
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Nice review. There still many of them available here in greece
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Beautiful watches!
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Not often you see a two year old post re-surface. Must be a good watch.
I'm biased of course.. ![]() ![]() WHOA Just hit 1K posts.. watch out JJ here I come.. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Still one of my favs. Had to let her go a little while ago, but will replace her soon! =)
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Good review, thanks. I had one back in 1990 and the date mechanism failed three times in a year. Ended up back with the AD but I think I was extremely unlucky. It's a fantastic and iconic watch and the GMT that everything else is compared to. Enjoy.
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great piece but I think that i ma going to trade mine for a gmtc
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Please forgive me if I'm hijacking this thread. But has anybody found a reliable source for a Pepsi bezel? I have the black bezel, and may want to change it out
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