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GMBorkovic · 22 July 2022, 05:51 AM

I have read the posts and have not found what the cut off is. Or does it go by model number. Or date of mfg.? Dont know. Mike

Kingface66 · 22 July 2022, 06:23 AM

1675-David · 22 July 2022, 06:51 AM

‘Vintage’ is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma that only the chosen ones can begin to fathom… No matter how many threads are started on this subject only one thing holds true, more will follow.

Tools · 22 July 2022, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GMBorkovic

I have read the posts and have not found what the cut off is. Or does it go by model number. Or date of mfg.? Dont know. Mike

None of those things.

There is no true definition of "Vintage Watch" even though the term has been around for decades, definitions have been a moving target.

Dan S · 22 July 2022, 07:09 AM

We haven't had one of these threads in a while. :-)

1675-David · 22 July 2022, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

We haven't had one of these threads in a while. :-)

If I were to make a list of things I’d miss if they disappeared completely, “What’s Vintage?” threads would definitely be top 10!

GMBorkovic · 22 July 2022, 07:21 AM

OK, apparently I did not search far enough. Its subjective and un-answerable.
I hate saying I have an old red-sub from 1969, because I was 21 yrs. old when I got it.
So Im pre-vintage. Which means Im old. I guess I will have to accept, Im old.

1675-David · 22 July 2022, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GMBorkovic

So Im pre-vintage. Which means Im old. I guess I will have to accept, Im old.

Sorry you had to find out like this but someone was sure to let slip at some point.

p.s. a ‘69 Sub is well within the generally accepted vintage timeframe

Dan S · 22 July 2022, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GMBorkovic

OK, apparently I did not search far enough. Its subjective and un-answerable.
I hate saying I have an old red-sub from 1969, because I was 21 yrs. old when I got it.
So Im pre-vintage. Which means Im old. I guess I will have to accept, Im old.

You (1948) and your watch (1969) both fall squarely within the vintage category. Here are two birth-year watches for you.

GMBorkovic · 22 July 2022, 09:16 AM

To Dan S, thanks. Yes 1948, Sept.. dad got home X-mas eve 1947 from Tokyo, Math works. Your timepieces look better than I do. Im wearing an Omega gold Seamaster of dads while his red-sub is in Mesa, AZ. getting a clean and adj. Well its my time of the day for a shot of Geritol and Wild Turkey 101. best

MILGAUSS88 · 22 July 2022, 10:55 AM

1969 or earlier.
(I was born in 1970, and I am clearly not vintage.)

watchfreak207 · 22 July 2022, 11:30 AM

Hope this helps a bit

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Kingface66 · 22 July 2022, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by watchfreak207

Hope this helps a bit

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That chart seems a bit off

watchfreak207 · 22 July 2022, 11:59 AM

I got it off the back of a grey dealer business card. so have no idea how accurate this is.

Styles Bitchley · 22 July 2022, 12:33 PM

I know it when I see it.

GMBorkovic · 23 July 2022, 01:29 AM

Thanks for all the replies, even the few that made me feel dumb. If I have a question and I cant find the answer, I ask. I asked and got the answer. There is no definitive answer.
Thats OK, as a retired M.E., I have encountered this before. Thanks again.

1675-David · 23 July 2022, 02:16 AM

How about some pix of your watch? There’s always an appreciative crowd for images of old watches around here

harry in montreal · 23 July 2022, 02:30 AM

Vintage=when Rolex says they are returning the watch as no parts are available and you end up junking on eBay to get it running.

GMBorkovic · 23 July 2022, 03:26 AM

To 1675-David, no can do. red-sub is presently in the hands of Phil Ridley in Mesa, AZ.
Its probably in the sonic cleaner. I have asked Phil that no cosmetic buffing or polishing be done. Just internal movement maintenance. Even saving the original acrylic lens.
Phil is easy to work with and a true conservator. I have seen a few restored red-subs all polished up, and it just tuned me off. Every scar and nick is a memory. Mike

Dan S · 23 July 2022, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

How about some pix of your watch? There’s always an appreciative crowd for images of old watches around here

I have already asked for photos several times in a different thread. Not happening apparently. In response, the OP always repeats that no cosmetic work will be done in the restoration, so apparently this means there is no reason to post photos.

GMBorkovic · 23 July 2022, 06:28 AM

Dan S, aint got a camera! Its a run of the mill 1969 red-sub. Has a MkII/III red-sub
dial, perfect shape. The case has some nicks/scratches that will not be attended to. Why! because I dont care. If I want a new red-sub, I will go to the safe and pull one out that has never been worn. Same 2.5mil Sn. Mike

tekno · 23 July 2022, 06:29 AM

I was logging into the forum hoping to see one of the classic vintage watch topics.

“What is vintage”
“Which ___ watches should I buy as an investment”
“My uncle/grandpa/dad left me his watches, how much are they worth”

So what did we decide? Matte dial, or is it early 90’s now…

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GMBorkovic · 23 July 2022, 07:39 AM

Hey tekno, pile on the dumb guys simple question.
" Well, you wont have Nixon to kick around anymore."
So problem solved, no more questions from me. Done Fineto!

indianmachine · 23 July 2022, 07:47 AM

Safe queen 1969 1680? Would love to see that.

Dan S · 23 July 2022, 09:12 AM

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Safe queen 1969 1680? Would love to see that.

No camera, unfortunately.

22 July 2022, 05:51 AM	#1
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	"VINTAGE" what is it? I have read the posts and have not found what the cut off is. Or does it go by model number. Or date of mfg.? Dont know. Mike

22 July 2022, 07:09 AM	#5
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6,132	We haven't had one of these threads in a while. :-) __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

22 July 2022, 06:23 AM	#2
Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: Many Posts: 3,447	Try these for some answers (Hint: there is no answer) https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=527572 https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=81694 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4226538 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=94489 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3292746 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=22706 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=1477230 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3144255 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3511691 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=3226311 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=982827 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4325919 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=4678105 https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=742643 https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=766188 https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=768222

22 July 2022, 06:51 AM	#3
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,056	‘Vintage’ is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma that only the chosen ones can begin to fathom… No matter how many threads are started on this subject only one thing holds true, more will follow.

22 July 2022, 07:21 AM	#7
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	OK, apparently I did not search far enough. Its subjective and un-answerable. I hate saying I have an old red-sub from 1969, because I was 21 yrs. old when I got it. So Im pre-vintage. Which means Im old. I guess I will have to accept, Im old.

22 July 2022, 09:16 AM	#10
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	To Dan S, thanks. Yes 1948, Sept.. dad got home X-mas eve 1947 from Tokyo, Math works. Your timepieces look better than I do. Im wearing an Omega gold Seamaster of dads while his red-sub is in Mesa, AZ. getting a clean and adj. Well its my time of the day for a shot of Geritol and Wild Turkey 101. best

22 July 2022, 10:55 AM	#11
MILGAUSS88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: mississippi river Posts: 3,052	1969 or earlier. (I was born in 1970, and I am clearly not vintage.)

22 July 2022, 11:30 AM	#12
watchfreak207 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Singapore Watch: ing You Posts: 180	Hope this helps a bit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 July 2022, 11:59 AM	#14
watchfreak207 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Singapore Watch: ing You Posts: 180	I got it off the back of a grey dealer business card. so have no idea how accurate this is.

22 July 2022, 12:33 PM	#15
Styles Bitchley "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Canada Watch: 1680 Posts: 1,398	I know it when I see it.

23 July 2022, 01:29 AM	#16
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	Thanks for all the replies, even the few that made me feel dumb. If I have a question and I cant find the answer, I ask. I asked and got the answer. There is no definitive answer. Thats OK, as a retired M.E., I have encountered this before. Thanks again.

23 July 2022, 02:16 AM	#17
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,056	How about some pix of your watch? There’s always an appreciative crowd for images of old watches around here

23 July 2022, 02:30 AM	#18
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Vintage=when Rolex says they are returning the watch as no parts are available and you end up junking on eBay to get it running.

23 July 2022, 03:26 AM	#19
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	To 1675-David, no can do. red-sub is presently in the hands of Phil Ridley in Mesa, AZ. Its probably in the sonic cleaner. I have asked Phil that no cosmetic buffing or polishing be done. Just internal movement maintenance. Even saving the original acrylic lens. Phil is easy to work with and a true conservator. I have seen a few restored red-subs all polished up, and it just tuned me off. Every scar and nick is a memory. Mike

23 July 2022, 06:28 AM	#21
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	Dan S, aint got a camera! Its a run of the mill 1969 red-sub. Has a MkII/III red-sub dial, perfect shape. The case has some nicks/scratches that will not be attended to. Why! because I dont care. If I want a new red-sub, I will go to the safe and pull one out that has never been worn. Same 2.5mil Sn. Mike

23 July 2022, 06:29 AM	#22
tekno 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Texas Watch: Tudor Snowflake Posts: 1,094	I was logging into the forum hoping to see one of the classic vintage watch topics. “What is vintage” “Which ___ watches should I buy as an investment” “My uncle/grandpa/dad left me his watches, how much are they worth” So what did we decide? Matte dial, or is it early 90’s now… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

23 July 2022, 07:39 AM	#23
GMBorkovic "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Deerfield Beach, Posts: 61	Hey tekno, pile on the dumb guys simple question. " Well, you wont have Nixon to kick around anymore." So problem solved, no more questions from me. Done Fineto!

23 July 2022, 07:47 AM	#24
indianmachine "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 795	Safe queen 1969 1680? Would love to see that.

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