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Whaler17 · 26 July 2022, 06:34 AM

Hi All,
I love watches, but am not very savvy. I own an Art business and sometimes like to trade. This watch came across my desk. Its an 1966 Bart Simpson I think. A friend mentioned The bracelet might be later as it is folded and was not sure about the lume. I took it to a local watch shop and they offered $4500. The gentlemen who wants to trade it is the original owner from 66.' Box and papers got trashed at some point. I was hoping you guys could help me with any info about what might have been replaced or is no correct. Also if it worth more than the $4500 the watch shop offered, seemed extremely low- but who knows! Here are some pictures.
Matthew

Whaler17 · 26 July 2022, 06:58 AM

Serial number 1.4

1675-David · 26 July 2022, 06:59 AM

closed sixes

dhknola · 26 July 2022, 07:08 AM

Are the 6's closed? They look ever so open, possibly, from the photos.
I am not an expert, but this looks interesting...I am glad you passed on the 4500

Whaler17 · 26 July 2022, 07:10 AM

better picture

Whaler17 · 26 July 2022, 07:11 AM

What would closed 6's indicate?>

MrBlobby · 26 July 2022, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

What would closed 6's indicate?>

If the bottom half of the six came around in a full circle like this “6” then it would be a closed six.

The sixes in your photo are open.

Juhuatai · 26 July 2022, 08:05 AM

look like it might have been relumed? 4500 is too low but a relume will kill the value.

Whaler17 · 26 July 2022, 08:25 AM

Let me know if you need any more pictures. The retail prices are all over the place- Do you think this watch is worth pursuing or should I just move on from it.

swaini3 · 26 July 2022, 08:26 AM

Dont go to that watch shop again ;)

1watch · 26 July 2022, 08:29 AM

Watch has a lot of issues from what I can see in the pics.

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zapokee · 26 July 2022, 08:41 AM

A watch shop offering only 4,500k for a 1960s meters-first 5513 is bordering on criminal, regardless of condition. Imagine if it were an elderly widow who didn't know what it was worth.

Plenty of references online to give you a proper idea of pricing.

KY.. · 26 July 2022, 08:43 AM

Others with a lot more experience with this model will chime in but do yourself a favor and steer clear of that watch shop.
No matter this watch’s condition, the parts alone are worth a lot more than $4500.
Seems they were looking for a desperate sucker…

MrChamfers · 26 July 2022, 11:27 AM

That bezel insert is worth $2-3k alone.

Whaler17 · 27 July 2022, 01:10 AM

Do you guys think 8k is reasonable? Or to much.

Dan S · 27 July 2022, 02:01 AM

Have you been able to determine if the dial has been re-lumed? Makes a big difference. Other than that, I kind of like it as a little project at $8k.

lupus66 · 27 July 2022, 02:07 AM

i'd say relumed otherwise nice, 10-15 now?

Whaler17 · 27 July 2022, 02:13 AM

Could you give me some advice on determining whether the dial is Relumed, is there a test they can do for something like that

btinl · 27 July 2022, 03:14 AM

Dial definitely looks relumed. Not sure what it’s worth because the buyers pool will be substantially reduced but more than $4500.

southtexas · 27 July 2022, 04:30 AM

Is there some brown in that dial? Can you try to get some more close-ups with focus on the dial plate/lume plots?

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Juhuatai · 27 July 2022, 05:00 AM

Dial does look like it's going tropical. It's probably worth more than 8k even with a potential relume.

1watch · 27 July 2022, 05:03 AM

It’s worth something as a parts project. Can’t tell overall case condition, 1530 has some value if running and the insert is likely the highest value of the individual parts. Dial isn’t worth much since was relumed and many serious collectors would not have an interest in a relumed gilt dial.

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Whaler17 · 27 July 2022, 05:55 AM

Here’s some more pictures I definitely believe that the dial looks brown

Whaler17 · 27 July 2022, 05:58 AM

Picture

Mark020 · 27 July 2022, 06:13 AM

Better relume will make this a very interesting watch for a lot of buyers

Whaler17 · 27 July 2022, 07:03 AM

Is there somebody that you would recommend for a better relume?

btinl · 27 July 2022, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

Is there somebody that you would recommend for a better relume?

You can try James Hyman in the UK.

springer · 27 July 2022, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

Do you guys think 8k is reasonable? Or to much.

No. a big pass. Why would you buy it unless you had another dial and other parts and time to get it correct. The dial lume has been "jacked" with and poorly at that.

George58 · 27 July 2022, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by springer

No. a big pass. Why would you buy it unless you had another dial and other parts and time to get it correct. The dial lume has been "jacked" with and poorly at that.

I agree the repaint on the lume is bad. Like bad if I would have done it.

Whaler17 · 30 July 2022, 11:07 PM

I ended up buying it for 7000 Yolo

26 July 2022, 08:43 AM	#13
KY.. 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Real Name: Keith Location: California Watch: 60s to 90s Posts: 1,299	Others with a lot more experience with this model will chime in but do yourself a favor and steer clear of that watch shop. No matter this watch’s condition, the parts alone are worth a lot more than $4500. Seems they were looking for a desperate sucker… __________________ Just an admirer/enthusiast of vintage Rolex/Heuer/Zenith/Breitling/Hamilton watches since the 80’s… ”I Do Love The Details, But I Can Choose If I Accept The Flaws…”

27 July 2022, 02:01 AM	#16
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6,132	Have you been able to determine if the dial has been re-lumed? Makes a big difference. Other than that, I kind of like it as a little project at $8k. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

27 July 2022, 04:30 AM	#20
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,734	Is there some brown in that dial? Can you try to get some more close-ups with focus on the dial plate/lume plots? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

26 July 2022, 06:58 AM	#2
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Serial number 1.4

26 July 2022, 06:59 AM	#3
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,056	closed sixes

26 July 2022, 07:08 AM	#4
dhknola "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,169	Are the 6's closed? They look ever so open, possibly, from the photos. I am not an expert, but this looks interesting...I am glad you passed on the 4500

26 July 2022, 07:11 AM	#6
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	What would closed 6's indicate?>

26 July 2022, 08:05 AM	#8
Juhuatai 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: 5508 & 9401 Posts: 640	look like it might have been relumed? 4500 is too low but a relume will kill the value.

26 July 2022, 08:25 AM	#9
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Let me know if you need any more pictures. The retail prices are all over the place- Do you think this watch is worth pursuing or should I just move on from it.

26 July 2022, 08:26 AM	#10
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,449	Dont go to that watch shop again ;)

26 July 2022, 08:29 AM	#11
1watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: US Posts: 657	Watch has a lot of issues from what I can see in the pics. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

26 July 2022, 08:41 AM	#12
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,361	A watch shop offering only 4,500k for a 1960s meters-first 5513 is bordering on criminal, regardless of condition. Imagine if it were an elderly widow who didn't know what it was worth. Plenty of references online to give you a proper idea of pricing.

26 July 2022, 11:27 AM	#14
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	That bezel insert is worth $2-3k alone.

27 July 2022, 01:10 AM	#15
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Do you guys think 8k is reasonable? Or to much.

27 July 2022, 02:07 AM	#17
lupus66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: holland Posts: 296	i'd say relumed otherwise nice, 10-15 now?

27 July 2022, 02:13 AM	#18
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Could you give me some advice on determining whether the dial is Relumed, is there a test they can do for something like that

27 July 2022, 03:14 AM	#19
btinl 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Watch: on my wrist Posts: 1,952	Dial definitely looks relumed. Not sure what it’s worth because the buyers pool will be substantially reduced but more than $4500.

27 July 2022, 05:00 AM	#21
Juhuatai 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: 5508 & 9401 Posts: 640	Dial does look like it's going tropical. It's probably worth more than 8k even with a potential relume.

27 July 2022, 05:03 AM	#22
1watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: US Posts: 657	It’s worth something as a parts project. Can’t tell overall case condition, 1530 has some value if running and the insert is likely the highest value of the individual parts. Dial isn’t worth much since was relumed and many serious collectors would not have an interest in a relumed gilt dial. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 July 2022, 05:55 AM	#23
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Here’s some more pictures I definitely believe that the dial looks brown

27 July 2022, 06:13 AM	#25
Mark020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,108	Better relume will make this a very interesting watch for a lot of buyers

27 July 2022, 07:03 AM	#26
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	Is there somebody that you would recommend for a better relume?

30 July 2022, 11:07 PM	#30
Whaler17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 15	I ended up buying it for 7000 Yolo

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