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Subs 16610 and 14060 (M).. Some Comparisons..
Most neophytes to Rolex see the Sub and the Sub Date and just assume that one has a date, the other doesn't, and that's the difference..
Of course, this is not true. They are completely different watches.. Here is a bit of trivia to amaze your friends: ......................... Sub................. Sub Date Case Size ........ 39.5mm................ 39.5mm Case inc Crown . 43.50mm..............43.60mm (difference could be possible to a higher seated tube) Bezel Diameter... 39.5mm ...............40.00mm Thickness.......... 12.20mm ..............12.55mm (Sub Date middle case is thicker as is the bezel) Crystal Diameter..29mm ...................30mm Visible Dial..........25.5mm..................26.5mm Lugs.................Holes..................No Holes (since ~2001) Weight ............ 127 grams .............. 135 grams Hand length.....................same....... Almost nothing on these watches interchanges except the hands and Triplock Crown... Even the bezel inserts are different to fit the different size bezels, and they use different (although interchangeable until SEL's) bracelets.... Since they do use the same hands, it gives an illusion that they are longer because of the smaller dial..they extend into the markers more.. IMG_0005copy.jpg Here you can clearly see that the Bezel on the 16610 is thicker than the 14060 by comparing the undercut beneath the bezel grip surface: SubBezels.jpg Another difference is the machined ledge on the backside of the 16610 (right) for the fitment of an SEL bracelet. The 14060 does not have suich a lip or ledge and an SEL bracelet cannot be fitted to this model without modification.. SubShelf.jpg Since these watches are made independently, and since they have continued on with the legacy of the original (nostalgic) Sub in the 14060M; I believe it will continue in production..
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Great info, Larry!
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Thanks Larry, great info.
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Thanks Larry! Great info. If it is OK for you I'll add them to the list of measurements I already have.
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Wow Larry, I never knew this, I was one of those who assumed the only difference was the date.
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As usual a very informative post. Thanks Larry.
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Would you mind posting the EXACT measurements, for a true WIS like me? Or a PM perhaps?
(Crazy, I know...), but I guess you understand ;-) |
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Thanks for the info! This is one of the reasons I am such a big fan of this site!
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Very informative, Larry. Thanks for sharing.
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Great info as always, Larry.......thanks!!
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Expert knowledge at its finest.
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great shot! great info! great watches!!
My first(14060) and fourth(16610)Rolex. For some reason they haven't been flipped, and they won't! EVER!!!
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Hello Larry! Thanks for this info!
Just amazing! I´ve been owner of both subs for decades, and never had paid attention to these differences. I thought they were identical except for the date feature. Thanks again for a most informative post and nice pictures!! Kind regards, Abel
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Thanks! I have the 14060M and the only thing I feel im missing out on is the improved braclet of the 16610. Other than that I prefer the ND (just!).
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Thanks--great info!
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Good info. I too was thinking only date difference but now I know. Thanks!
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Thanks for the good thread!
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Thanks Larry
another great informative post. I was quite surprised to read that the Bezels/inserts are different. can you possible post a photo of the view profile of the 2 bezels?? |
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Quality post, thanks
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Good job Larry! I just bought both about 2 weeks ago. The Sub Date for my wife and the Sub for me. I knew the date was thicker, but to the casual eye everything else looks close. My wife will find this interesting as well.
BTW, my sub is the certified version. Thanks again.
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A question pertaining to the 14060M. Has the font that "Submariner" is written in changed between the 14060 and the 14060M? I remember seeing some Subs where the font is different from the ones pictures above.
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I didnt know these are 2 distinct models. Thank for sharing!
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Thanks Larry, great info. Now I know they are different.
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thanks but i really hope they update the NO date as im a huge fan and i would like to add a new one to my collection!!!!
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The knowledge here is impressive, thanks.
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i posted this in larry's thread concerning the newly added images. i realize for record-keeping purposes that it is better suited here:
great details! with the first photo, it is apparent that the 16610's crystal is more recessed inside the thicker thicker bezel when compared to the 14060m's crystal and thinner bezel. what is the reason behind the thicker bezel? presumably, due to the date complication? and do you have any readily available comparisons of the 1680 & 16800 (minus the acrylic crystal)? in other words, has the sub date's bezel always sat higher than the sub no date's bezel? just a thought... it seems rolex would want to make it as easy as possible on themselves and insure that these components are interchangeable. are the differences of mechanics between these two watch cases/movements too great to overcome? stocking separate, large quantities of bezels (in the process of being discontinued) for the 16610 and 14060m seems a very inefficient way of going about it. thoughts? |
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Fantastic info......
You can also see the crystal on the 14060 protrudes above the bezel much more than 16610(maybe because of the different bezel sizes???) Also the crown appears to be thicker on 16610. Amazing photos Larry!!!! |
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Anyone know the weights of the two watches?? Does the Sub Date feel like a far more substantial watch ??
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