The future of 5172G

[sxdcfv]

There's a lot to like about the 5172G. Love the strap. Don't mind manual wind considering it's a 12 hour watch so a 'wear when you want' approach is easy in terms of winding and setting the time. I'll be no one ever uses the chronograph feature but it adds interest to the dial. Initially I didn't like the round pushers but they are growing on me.

What do you think the future holds in terms of desirability? Do you think a discount by AD is possible?

[danestaff]

Discount Maybe In couple of years

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[Fat_ninja]

I think its going to flop...

[Russell996]

So many threads on TRF I simply don’t understand these days.

You don’t want a chrono and you really want a self-winder?

On the plus side you like the strap.

[Calatrava r]

The watch over copies the 5320 accents and is yet another blue dial. Sort of a so so release to me. Its anybody's guest where it will be 10 years from now.

[RussW]

I think it’s a great watch. The case / lugs are more interesting than the 5170, it’s on the sportier side with a larger case size and blue strap. I’m not that keen on the hands, but it has vintage Patek DNA all over it.

How’s it going to do? Well it’s not a Nautilus or Aquanaut, so I don’t expect we’ll see massive waiting lists, but I think it will do better than most other Pateks. One of their nicest releases for quite a few years imo.

[toucan]

It will be a flop.

[Fat_ninja]

Too bad we cant flip the flop. Like the tv show

[goog53]

Not a fan. They priced the 5170s too high and couldnt give them away. 5170J was 87K then the US had a price decrease and brought the G/R down to $81K which was still absurd. I think they realized the 5170 was a flop which explains the lower price point for this one at 73K. My guess is that it will be readily available.

[thomaspp]

I think it looks quite nice in pictures... second modern chrono by patek after the 5070 in terms of aesthetics alone is you ask me. The in-house chrono caliber has great action. But Not even 5070s are doing all that well nowadays so who knows.


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[sxdcfv]

I'm just trying to have a conversation. No point in ripping on me for thinking about a watch from different angles.

[liljctl]

Originally Posted by sxdcfv

I'm just trying to have a conversation. No point in ripping on me for thinking about a watch from different angles.

Fair enough.

This is what I contributed to the thread that Ben Lee started. I was between 2 camps - whether to buy the 5170P or wait for the 5172G. I got the P.

Originally Posted by liljctl

With the introduction of the 5712G would you consider that instead? It's flying under the radar a tad but I feel that PP has a lot riding on this and as such has overhauled the line in hopes that it gains more traction. The have broken a number of self imposed traditions.

The obvious ones.

1. The choice of metal - I believe they usually introduce a J version before moving on to the Gs and then subsequently a shorter production timeline for the Ps.

2. Dial. Blue is has always been reserved for the Ps of this line. To start off batting for 8s with the first one, they are riding on the blue craze at the moment. But what's the step up from here? A salmon coloured dial?

Not so obvious (in my opinion)
3. The syringe hands which had a mostly positive reception on the 5320G and the applied luminescent numerals.

4. Larger case, strap, the stepped lugs and pushers all makes it a more modern sportier look with a tinge of vintage. Does that make sense?

5. Significantly reduced price. It's still VERY expensive but when you consider that you might get 7-10% discount from our AD this now becomes somewhat more palatable. Also does this mean that there is less in the watch or is PP taking a hair cut?

My opinion.

I like it. I've seen a few comments about the 5170 moving up in prices but it's a bit premature. I think this watch is never going to attain the mass acceptance of the Nautilus or Aquanaut but I have a cheeky feeling that it will grow on people.

This is also an indication of Patek's acceptance that 5170 was a failure. 5170 was a ''dress'' chronograph with a manually wound, in-house movement. It's a watch that you wear to time board meetings and not laps around the track.

The hands no longer matches the hands in the subdials. BUT it's a decent stab and a beautiful watch. I am suppose to pull the trigger on a 5170P today and it has made me stop to ponder for a bit.


I am not sure where this puts the 5960. Different movement and dial layout but same strap material, dial colour, case size and pushers.

Does Patek have room for 2 different but similar watches in its stables?

[Ichiran]

I do like this watch because of the blue dial and calfskin strap. However, I prefer the 5170p over this model.

Hard to predict the price outlook for this watch, but it is always difficult to get a discount for a new release in blue variant.

[GeraldGentaFan]

Unless it would be discontinued rather soon, I doubt there is a strong case to believe in its future desirability. 5070 as the last Lemania and 5170 as the first in-house Patek have better future potential imo.

[SL BRABUS]

There will be a premium when first come out..... Just like the 5524

After that it will tank.......

Buy preowned.....

All the 5170 still tank after it been discontinued......

[Dlindsay]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

There will be a premium when first come out..... Just like the 5524

After that it will tank.......

Buy preowned.....

All the 5170 still tank after it been discontinued......

There won't be a premium on it

[T3F]

I really don't think it'll do well. Bumping this from 39 to 41mm was a mistake, both in that 39mm is a better size for a formal watch like this and because the proportions are totally off now, in my opinion. The reception for this watch has also seemed to be worse than for the 5170, which itself did rather poorly, so I'd expect this to flop.

[francoamerican]

It’s an incongruent watch to me. Vintage/Art Deco lugs on a modern casual watch?

[nyc2la]

A disappointing release in my eyes. Size (too big), lack of creativity (very similar characteristics to the 5320g), and a watch with a confused identity (a concoction of sporty, faux vintage, and Art Deco). The lugs look like a grandmother’s scalloped soap dish she would have in her bathroom. YMMV.

If it’s a must have for you, I would not be an early adopter; see how it fairs before jumping into the deep end.

[benlee]

Have to see actual to be sure. Just from pics, not really a fan. I much prefer 5170P. More classically elegant. The larger 41mm case size will also not fit the movement so well.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

A disappointing release in my eyes. Size (too big), lack of creativity (very similar characteristics to the 5320g), and a watch with a confused identity (a concoction of sporty, faux vintage, and Art Deco). The lugs look like a grandmother’s scalloped soap dish she would have in her bathroom. YMMV.

If it’s a must have for you, I would not be an early adopter; see how it fairs before jumping into the deep end.

[sensui]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

A disappointing release in my eyes. Size (too big), lack of creativity (very similar characteristics to the 5320g), and a watch with a confused identity (a concoction of sporty, faux vintage, and Art Deco). The lugs look like a grandmother’s scalloped soap dish she would have in her bathroom. YMMV.

If it’s a must have for you, I would not be an early adopter; see how it fairs before jumping into the deep end.

Harsh... But hard to debate from me. Good thing I swooped in on the 5170p.

[GB-man]

Similar to 5170. Very few covet watches on leather anymore. That’s life

[pam66]

Originally Posted by liljctl

Fair enough.

This is what I contributed to the thread that Ben Lee started. I was between 2 camps - whether to buy the 5170P or wait for the 5172G. I got the P.

me too. i think we did well.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by sensui

Harsh... But hard to debate from me. Good thing I swooped in on the 5170p.

[dom007]

Looks like I'm in the minority here. I really like this piece a lot and it's pretty high on my wish list. I don't think I can resist...

I find the design of this reference sensational. For me it's the most beautiful simple chronograph since the 5070P. The only thing I have to criticize are the additional two millimeters in diameter compared to the 5170. But the 5370P also measures 41 mm and the diameter doesn't really bother me...

Since I am not interested in a possible resale value anyway because I keep all my Pateks, I will probably add this reference to my collection.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Dlindsay

There won't be a premium on it

Really..... Only time would tell... I don't think it will tank the 1 year of releases....

Mr. Thierry Stern's adjust the pricing of the new piece.....

5172G Retail $73,710

VS

5170G or R Retail $81,100

As we know the preowned for the 5170G or R or G is around mid $40,000

If the new 5172G tank in the future expect for the preowned in the high or mid $30,000....??

I be all over it if that happen.......

[jon_jon]

The 5172G is different enough from the 5170 that it will have its own following.

In general, case size has been increasing across the board including the 5960 -> 5905 and the 5167 -> 5168 and even the new Calatrava at 40mm. The pushers are retro in appearance and people will love it or hate it. Blue dial white metal case is definitely popular now, so Patek went with this in releasing a new reference with what people want. The price decrease will help with sales as the original 5170G-001 was released at $87K USD, which was quite high.

I would be interested in trying on the 5172G on the wrist before making a decision. The in-house manual wind chrono is a fabulous movement and it will be used in their watches for quite some time in the future.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I do like this watch because of the blue dial and calfskin strap. However, I prefer the 5170p over this model.

Hard to predict the price outlook for this watch, but it is always difficult to get a discount for a new release in blue variant.

Believe it's actually a suede strap. The dial has a sandblasted matte look to it as well. Stock photos as usual, don't do it justice. I'm not saying it stunning but it is better looking that the release photos lead on.

[AK797]

It does remind me of the fabled 5070P so maybe that might spark some extra interest, but think it will be tough gig for this to stay at retail.

This MB comparison won't help, this type of thing has killed the AP Code.

https://www.watchprosite.com/montbla...3521.10719796/