New ROOC or ROO diver 2021

[Zlllj]

Hi all, need some advice. I was being offered with the new ROOC and ROO diver.
Was in a dilemma of which to choose from.
Would like to know which one can holds it value better?

Thanks in advance

[GS93108]

Really?

Ash 'will' say it better than me, in about 5 mins...

[AshAP]

It’s honestly a real shame if you’ve got an eye on resale value before you’ve even bought either watch - there are members on this forum who are hoping to be allocated these watches because they really want to wear them rather than sell them.

In response to your question it’s difficult to predict because certain models can suddenly become hugely desirable and that affects resale.

My advice would be to buy the one you really like as you’ll enjoy wearing it and not want to sell it.


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[AK797]

We got some time travellers on the forum now? Wow these new APs have some mad functions.

[HMHM]

Personally I prefer the ROO Diver (especially the grey and blue ones, not a fan of the green). The ROC is nice but prefer it to be in steel or WG.

Though historically, ROO doesn’t retain its value compared to RO and ROC.

[GS93108]

Originally Posted by AK797

We got some time travellers on the forum now? Wow these new APs have some mad functions.

Fixed :)

[Zlllj]

Originally Posted by AshAP

It’s honestly a real shame if you’ve got an eye on resale value before you’ve even bought either watch - there are members on this forum who are hoping to be allocated these watches because they really want to wear them rather than sell them.

In response to your question it’s difficult to predict because certain models can suddenly become hugely desirable and that affects resale.

My advice would be to buy the one you really like as you’ll enjoy wearing it and not want to sell it.


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Firstly I did not mention or even consider of selling the watch so why is it consider a "real Shame"? Is it wrong to enquire about resale value before buying it?

[Zlllj]

Originally Posted by HMHM

Personally I prefer the ROO Diver (especially the grey and blue ones, not a fan of the green). The ROC is nice but prefer it to be in steel or WG.

Though historically, ROO doesn’t retain its value compared to RO and ROC.

Thanks for the info. Very much appreciated as this is going to be my first sports watch.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by AK797

We got some time travellers on the forum now? Wow these new APs have some mad functions.

They didn't walk you through how to use that function when you picked up?

OP, I think they're both pretty weak, so as always, best to get the one you like most.

[GS93108]

Originally Posted by Zlllj

Firstly I did not mention or even consider of selling the watch so why is it consider a "real Shame"? Is it wrong to enquire about resale value before buying it?

Your question was obvious.

It was the same as a woman's first question to a man being 'how much are you worth?' or 'what car do you drive?'

or a man's first question to a woman being 'are those real?' or 'do you have a twin sister?'

Somewhat vulgar connotations in all cases.

You asked about two different watches at two different price points that serve two difference purposes.

If you are even being offered a watch then you are fortunate, so buy what you like.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Zlllj

Hi all, need some advice. I was being offered with the new ROOC and ROO diver.
Was in a dilemma of which to choose from.
Would like to know which one can holds it value better?

I just compared the two yesterday, and when seeing the title of the post was ready to share my impressions - until I realized it's an investment thread.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I just compared the two yesterday, and when seeing the title of the post was ready to share my impressions - until I realized it's an investment thread.

But ignoring OP for a moment, what were your impressions? I'm curious on your take of the new iterations vs last iterations. Namely, if you weren't a ROO fan before, are you a ROO fan now?

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by macrowatch

But ignoring OP for a moment, what were your impressions? I'm curious on your take of the new iterations vs last iterations. Namely, if you weren't a ROO fan before, are you a ROO fan now?

Advantage ROO diver: seems to wear much thinner - baffled that the difference is only 0.2mm. Much lighter. Pretty restrained design for a ROO.

Advantage ROO chrono: the taupe dial is absolute killer. Diver dial is pretty muted in all three colors, whereas the taupe pops, sparkles and changes with lighting. Ceramic bezel (with no sign of a new full CE ROO diver or chrono) is a plus. Flashier overall, if that's what one is looking for.

The height of the new chrono is a bit shocking (maybe the fact that they were wearing the plastic bezel/case protector distorted things), but the head-on view of the dial is much more restrained than the 44mm ROO as the pushers, while still massive, are much better integrated. I preferred the 12/9/6 sub-dial layout, but where the old movement was quite a bit too small, the new one is just a little bit too large. Biggest difference for me is really the cleanup on the pusher/crown side, and did I mention the taupe dial?

Compared to the old old ROO, I still really like the Beast, with the juxtaposition between the super-refined petite tapisserie classic-blue dial and the massive chunk of steel architecture of the overall piece. In contrast, the 43mm ROO is a much more modern and more cohesive/integrated design.

50% step in cost for the chrono vs diver is significant, but I'll look to get the chrono first, while continuing to dream of a new CE diver.

[CoveWatch]

Don't know which will hold value better but I am hoping for a new grey dial 43ROO this year. Personally prefer the look of the ROO over the diver and ceramic bezel

[Vivalas]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

Advantage ROO chrono: the taupe dial is absolute killer. Diver dial is pretty muted in all three colors, whereas the taupe pops, sparkles and changes with lighting. Ceramic bezel (with no sign of a new full CE ROO diver or chrono) is a plus. Flashier overall, if that's what one is looking for.

The height of the new chrono is a bit shocking (maybe the fact that they were wearing the plastic bezel/case protector distorted things), but the head-on view of the dial is much more restrained than the 44mm ROO as the pushers, while still massive, are much better integrated. I preferred the 12/9/6 sub-dial layout, but where the old movement was quite a bit too small, the new one is just a little bit too large. Biggest difference for me is really the cleanup on the pusher/crown side, and did I mention the taupe dial?

I’m very happy to admit to being biased but the taupe dial is incredible - a few minutes looking and wearing at an AP House just doesn’t reflect how incredible it is. I’ve had mine nearly a week now and everyday it’s grown on me more and more.

As to the height, when you remove the bezel and case protector it makes a huge difference. With that on it’s quite distorted.

Originally Posted by CoveWatch

Don't know which will hold value better but I am hoping for a new grey dial 43ROO this year. Personally prefer the look of the ROO over the diver and ceramic bezel

I’ve spent far too much time in the past deliberating over what watches will hold their value more and too little time looking for watches I just love. Once I decided to just buy and wear what I liked, my enjoyment of this hobby went up a lot more. Buy whichever floats your boat.

[GS93108]

Originally Posted by Vivalas

I’m very happy to admit to being biased but the taupe dial is incredible - a few minutes looking and wearing at an AP House just doesn’t reflect how incredible it is. I’ve had mine nearly a week now and everyday it’s grown on me more and more.

As to the height, when you remove the bezel and case protector it makes a huge difference. With that on it’s quite distorted.






I’ve spent far too much time in the past deliberating over what watches will hold their value more and too little time looking for watches I just love. Once I decided to just buy and wear what I liked, my enjoyment of this hobby went up a lot more. Buy whichever floats your boat.

[CoveWatch]

Originally Posted by Vivalas

I’ve spent far too much time in the past deliberating over what watches will hold their value more and too little time looking for watches I just love. Once I decided to just buy and wear what I liked, my enjoyment of this hobby went up a lot more. Buy whichever floats your boat.

Oh, I wasn't contemplating the value question. I was answering OP, sorry for the confusion

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Vivalas

I’m very happy to admit to being biased but the taupe dial is incredible - a few minutes looking and wearing at an AP House just doesn’t reflect how incredible it is. I’ve had mine nearly a week now and everyday it’s grown on me more and more.

As to the height, when you remove the bezel and case protector it makes a huge difference. With that on it’s quite distorted.






I’ve spent far too much time in the past deliberating over what watches will hold their value more and too little time looking for watches I just love. Once I decided to just buy and wear what I liked, my enjoyment of this hobby went up a lot more. Buy whichever floats your boat.

Spot on Stephen

[Token74]

Originally Posted by Zlllj

Firstly I did not mention or even consider of selling the watch so why is it consider a "real Shame"? Is it wrong to enquire about resale value before buying it?

If you’re not considering selling, why ask about value retention? If you never sell, both watches will lose 100% cash.

And there are some super knowledgeable people on here, asking about the merits of each watch would have got you done much better responses.

You’re new to the forum so not your fault, but worth being aware that folk on here are passionate about watches and have become pretty fed up with questions about investment or resale, it’s not what most are here for.

Whilst there is an argument for not buying a watch (or any luxury product) if you can’t afford to lose 100%, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider residuals for folk that want to enjoy watches but know that they might one day need to cash in if the rainy day scenario arises.

So to answer your question, the current trend suggests that both will lose value. The Diver will lose less because it’s cheaper, so a like-for-like percentage decrease will be less cash lost. Cheaper watches also easier to move on when (a) selling because you need to, and (b) when trading up on the sunny day.

But, ultimately, unless you’re really stretching yourself, the advice you’ve had above is sound. Just get the watch you like the most.


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[GS93108]

Originally Posted by Token74

If you’re not considering selling, why ask about value retention? If you never sell, both watches will lose 100% cash.

And there are some super knowledgeable people on here, asking about the merits of each watch would have got you done much better responses.

You’re new to the forum so not your fault, but worth being aware that folk on here are passionate about watches and have become pretty fed up with questions about investment or resale, it’s not what most are here for.

Whilst there is an argument for not buying a watch (or any luxury product) if you can’t afford to lose 100%, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider residuals for folk that want to enjoy watches but know that they might one day need to cash in if the rainy day scenario arises.

So to answer your question, the current trend suggests that both will lose value. The Diver will lose less because it’s cheaper, so a like-for-like percentage decrease will be less cash lost. Cheaper watches also easier to move on when (a) selling because you need to, and (b) when trading up on the sunny day.

But, ultimately, unless you’re really stretching yourself, the advice you’ve had above is sound. Just get the watch you like the most.


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Vince, you're such a nice chap! Shall I invoke my time machine again? :)

[Token74]

Originally Posted by GS93108

Vince, you're such a nice chap! Shall I invoke my time machine again? :)

lol


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[AK797]

Originally Posted by macrowatch

They didn't walk you through how to use that function when you picked up?

OP, I think they're both pretty weak, so as always, best to get the one you like most.

Time travel would be cool, but the one thing I'd really like is instant teleportation to anywhere in the world, esp via your watch... am I the new Elon Musk...

Taupe dial is rather spectacular, I'd grab one if you're in the market, it's no time machine substitute but very nice still.

[Burlington]

If you want to wear it as a sports watch, then APD is likely your best bet.

Will take pretty much everything you throw at it

[Zlllj]

Originally Posted by GS93108

Your question was obvious.

It was the same as a woman's first question to a man being 'how much are you worth?' or 'what car do you drive?'

or a man's first question to a woman being 'are those real?' or 'do you have a twin sister?'

Somewhat vulgar connotations in all cases.

You asked about two different watches at two different price points that serve two difference purposes.

If you are even being offered a watch then you are fortunate, so buy what you like.

If I want to buy for investment purpose, I would have get both pieces since they are not easy to come by. Don't u think so?

[Zlllj]

Originally Posted by Token74

If you’re not considering selling, why ask about value retention? If you never sell, both watches will lose 100% cash.

And there are some super knowledgeable people on here, asking about the merits of each watch would have got you done much better responses.

You’re new to the forum so not your fault, but worth being aware that folk on here are passionate about watches and have become pretty fed up with questions about investment or resale, it’s not what most are here for.

Whilst there is an argument for not buying a watch (or any luxury product) if you can’t afford to lose 100%, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to consider residuals for folk that want to enjoy watches but know that they might one day need to cash in if the rainy day scenario arises.

So to answer your question, the current trend suggests that both will lose value. The Diver will lose less because it’s cheaper, so a like-for-like percentage decrease will be less cash lost. Cheaper watches also easier to move on when (a) selling because you need to, and (b) when trading up on the sunny day.

But, ultimately, unless you’re really stretching yourself, the advice you’ve had above is sound. Just get the watch you like the most.


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Yes, I fully agreed with what u said. This is actually my sentiments.

[Sleepy996]

I love them both but the new diver seems like the perfect daily imo especially that green. When it comes to values I seem to lose money on everything so I will be no help there.

[chiscott_29]

Guys, the “holier than thou” attitude on this forum is getting really tiresome.

The OP asked a simple question - What one holds their value better? That’s a completely legitimate question. Did they ever say “so that I can make a profit” or “so I can sell it”?

No, they did not.

I will stand up here and say value retention is a huge issue to me. I may splurge on a piece without that consideration if I truly love it, but generally speaking I make decisions that I will not lose more than 25% of the value of a watch. As my financial situation changes, that may change in one way or another.

We need to get off the high horse that somebody isn’t truly interested in watches or that they are “hurting real collectors” if they ask a question like this. Make no mistake, it’s these new collectors that are FEEDING the world in which we are living. Nobody on here can look in the mirror and say they aren’t benefiting from all of this and that they are upset that their collections have held their value or in many cases increased in value. The foundation of this is more people able to get into the hobby because they are comfortable that their purchase has some level of capital preservation.

End of rant. Thank you.

OP: These are both new models so the verdict is still out. I’d follow my rule above here. In the very short term, all will likely trade above retail. Over the next year or so, I suspect most of these models will be readily available with a modest wait, or available in the secondary market for no or very small premiums. Over time, I’d expect to lose 20 to 25% of your purchase price on these models. Good luck in whatever you decide.


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[madmax21]

Originally Posted by AshAP

It’s honestly a real shame if you’ve got an eye on resale value before you’ve even bought either watch - there are members on this forum who are hoping to be allocated these watches because they really want to wear them rather than sell them.

In response to your question it’s difficult to predict because certain models can suddenly become hugely desirable and that affects resale.

My advice would be to buy the one you really like as you’ll enjoy wearing it and not want to sell it.


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This is what has destroyed the watch collecting industry it's all about value now and people think it's investment purposes before all other things I mean me myself I like to check value of things so I don't overpay especially in one case where I'm considering a trade with a Panerai watch. That's what the market has become pretty disgusting though

[GS93108]

Originally Posted by chiscott_29

Guys, the “holier than thou” attitude on this forum is getting really tiresome.

The OP asked a simple question - What one holds their value better? That’s a completely legitimate question. Did they ever say “so that I can make a profit” or “so I can sell it”?

No, they did not.

I will stand up here and say value retention is a huge issue to me. I may splurge on a piece without that consideration if I truly love it, but generally speaking I make decisions that I will not lose more than 25% of the value of a watch. As my financial situation changes, that may change in one way or another.

We need to get off the high horse that somebody isn’t truly interested in watches or that they are “hurting real collectors” if they ask a question like this. Make no mistake, it’s these new collectors that are FEEDING the world in which we are living. Nobody on here can look in the mirror and say they aren’t benefiting from all of this and that they are upset that their collections have held their value or in many cases increased in value. The foundation of this is more people able to get into the hobby because they are comfortable that their purchase has some level of capital preservation.

End of rant. Thank you.

OP: These are both new models so the verdict is still out. I’d follow my rule above here. In the very short term, all will likely trade above retail. Over the next year or so, I suspect most of these models will be readily available with a modest wait, or available in the secondary market for no or very small premiums. Over time, I’d expect to lose 20 to 25% of your purchase price on these models. Good luck in whatever you decide.


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Watches aren't investment vehicles. People may think they are and those people are in for a shock at some point. If watches were investments then there would be a futures market for them or some other legitimate financial instrument, but there is not.

Questions about value, which are clearly investment questions are tiresome. This is supposed to be a watch forum. By all means ask about two models, but what has price now, or price in the future got to do with anything regarding the merits of the watch itself?

There's value in this little corner of the internet, but not for much longer if everything is going to be tarnished by the vulgar topic of money.

As far as I'm aware there are no 'rules' to this forum or moderators, thus anything goes, so have at it.

[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by GS93108

Watches aren't investment vehicles. People may think they are and those people are in for a shock at some point. If watches were investments then there would be a futures market for them or some other legitimate financial instrument, but there is not.

Questions about value, which are clearly investment questions are tiresome. This is supposed to be a watch forum. By all means ask about two models, but what has price now, or price in the future got to do with anything regarding the merits of the watch itself?

There's value in this little corner of the internet, but not for much longer if everything is going to be tarnished by the vulgar topic of money.

As far as I'm aware there are no 'rules' to this forum or moderators, thus anything goes, so have at it.

First of all, what I value most is educated discourse so I hope that’s clear. I don’t hold a grudge or mean to direct any vitriol towards anybody as long as they are adding to the conversation and remain civil. I’m just trying to ask people to consider another point of view on this one.

I can’t get inside the OPs head so they’d have to comment if they so choose regarding exactly what information they were trying to get from posing this question.

Speaking for myself, I do not equate “store of value” and “investment”. I personally do not “invest in watches”. Many do, and I agree those conversations are tiresome and we risk tarnishing the forum and the hobby as a whole. But, I do care deeply about retaining as much value as I can and it sometimes is a big factor if I am deciding whether to buy something or make a trade. Is this risky? Sure, there is some risk to it. But given where the market is and where I see it staying more or less, I think this is a conservative approach that maximizes my enjoyment. Maybe I’m wrong…time will tell.


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