The GMT running slow problem (again)

[Tallbark]

In my previous post I mentioned that my Rootbeer was running slow. The general suggestion was to turn it in for repair, and so I did. They said that the movement in the early years of the model was not enough oiled, and thats why after a while friction goes up and amplitude down. Makes sense to me - have you heard this?

[Andad]

My understanding is that my be part of the issue.

[saxo3]

The 32xx issue is more fundamental than the lack of lubrication in earlier models.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by Tallbark

In my previous post I mentioned that my Rootbeer was running slow. The general suggestion was to turn it in for repair, and so I did. They said that the movement in the early years of the model was not enough oiled, and thats why after a while friction goes up and amplitude down. Makes sense to me - have you heard this?

Are you saying it has come back from repair, but is now running slow again? My Submariner went in at the end of last year, took 3 weeks to repair and luckily is running great now.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Tallbark

In my previous post I mentioned that my Rootbeer was running slow. The general suggestion was to turn it in for repair, and so I did. They said that the movement in the early years of the model was not enough oiled, and thats why after a while friction goes up and amplitude down. Makes sense to me - have you heard this?

How much was it running slow what were your wearing habits was mainspring kept at peek power-reserve .

[Gearjockey]

Originally Posted by saxo3

The 32xx issue is more fundamental than the lack of lubrication in earlier models.

What is the fundamental difference between earlier and later models?

Assuming we’re referring to 32xx.

[brandrea]

Hope you get it sorted

[cascadez71]

I was under the general impression the "flaw" was corrected with service, Rolex has known about this for many years at this point.

My early 2021 model started at 0 spd, then last couple years at -1 spd, last month -6spd and getting worse. Frustrating, but under warranty so it will go in.

Worn every day, day and night. If this turns out to be a watch that requires service every 3-4 years I will be very disappointed. Family members have 31xx that run well after 10+ years.

[Gearjockey]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

I was under the general impression the "flaw" was corrected with service, Rolex has known about this for many years at this point.

Yes, exactly.

I’ve always been curious how they fixed the “flaw.”

I’ve been close to pulling the trigger on a newer movement Rolex, but this is always what holds me back.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Gearjockey

Yes, exactly.

I’ve always been curious how they fixed the “flaw.”

I’ve been close to pulling the trigger on a newer movement Rolex, but this is always what holds me back.

Well with the millions of 32 movements now in service and Rolex sells around 800000 every year and Rolex can sell everyone they make. Afraid worring over a few seconds that might or might not happen it don't seem worry most unless you have the deadly [CCTTESS] constant checking time to exact second syndrome.

[Commander C.]

Originally Posted by Gearjockey

Yes, exactly.

I’ve always been curious how they fixed the “flaw.”

I’ve been close to pulling the trigger on a newer movement Rolex, but this is always what holds me back.

Some folks have reported that their 32XX movement began running slow again after service, so Rolex may not have identified and implemented a permanent fix yet.

[worldofoyster]

maybe a new movement is required to fix the "flaw"

[EverCloserUnion]

Obvious answer seems to be to get someone to carry your watch up a mountain while you observe it from ground level.
When the time keeping is to your liking, tell them to stop. The gravitational time dilation effect will have sorted the problem right out.

(Joking, obviously - very best of luck getting your watch sorted out to your satisfaction)

[georgekart]

There's a whole thread about 32xx movements here. If I had to make an evaluation the issues aren't common and usually aren't significant. But you know, some people are gonna get lemons from time to time. And it sucks with how Rolex makes it harder for independents to get parts.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by georgekart

If I had to make an evaluation the issues aren't common and usually aren't significant. But you know, some people are gonna get lemons from time to time.

Nonsense.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by georgekart

There's a whole thread about 32xx movements here. If I had to make an evaluation the issues aren't common and usually aren't significant. But you know, some people are gonna get lemons from time to time. And it sucks with how Rolex makes it harder for independents to get parts.

Well, I've got three lemons. All three have the 32XX movement.

[Auto16610]

You wrote "they said" that the problem was not enough oil. Who said that? The Dealer or Rolex Service Center? Of course if it was a salesman at the AD I wouldn't put to much stock in thier assessment.

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Well, I've got three lemons. All three have the 32XX movement.

Make lemonade.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by JoseR

Make lemonade.

I've got one in for service since it's out of warranty, and the other is in for warranty. I'm holding off on the third one for now.

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

I've got one in for service since it's out of warranty, and the other is in for warranty. I'm holding off on the third one for now.

I had the DJ41 3235 for 4 years and even thou I didn't wear it every day it ran fine for the time I had it. I sold it because I couldn't justify having a nice watch like that just sitting in the box. A good friend of mines is a big collector, and he bought it. I know it's in good hands. I had the blue dial and loved it, but now it's being worn. Good luck with yours.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Well, I've got three lemons. All three have the 32XX movement.

You bought three 32xx watches and all three are "lemons" or did you buy more than three 32xx watches and some are good?

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by saxo3

You bought three 32xx watches and all three are "lemons" or did you buy more than three 32xx watches and some are good?

I guess "lemons" might be too strong, but all are out of Rolex specs (+2/-2). My SD43 (2018) is -14 secs slow (in for service at Dallas RSC), Air King (5/2023) is running -10 secs slow and in for warranty. The GMT-II (10/2023) is just out of spec at -3 with a deteriorating amplitude. I'm in no rush to send this in. Will wit to see if it drops below -10 secs like the others did.

As Padi points out there are 86,400 seconds in a day what's 10 more or less seconds?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

I guess "lemons" might be too strong, but all are out of Rolex specs (+2/-2). My SD43 (2018) is -14 secs slow (in for service at Dallas RSC), Air King (5/2023) is running -10 secs slow and in for warranty. The GMT-II (10/2023) is just out of spec at -3 with a deteriorating amplitude. I'm in no rush to send this in. Will wit to see if it drops below -10 secs like the others did.

Thanks for the details, the issue is very clear. You used "lemons" not me. Anyhow, you didn't answer my question

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by saxo3

You bought three 32xx watches and all three are "lemons" or did you buy more than three 32xx watches and some are good?

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks for the details, the issue is very clear. You used "lemons" not me. Anyhow, you didn't answer my question

Sorry, I forgot to answer the other question. I bought and own only three.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Sorry, I forgot to answer the other question. I bought and own only three.

Thanks.
Calculate the probability that 100 % of your three 32xx watches developed the issue, assuminng a realistic "failure rate" for Rolex calibers in mass production.

I don't know a typical failure or defect rate of a Rolex caliber, which needs a repair or "service" within the warranty period. What is a reasonable percentage? Some guesses?

Or, to put it another way:
You buy a new 32xx watch from your AD. How likely do you think it is that the watch and the caliber will be flawless for the first 5 years?

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Sorry, I forgot to answer the other question. I bought and own only three.

Let it go. You're opening a can of worms with this 32XX post.

[rolph]

It makes sense that without enough oil, friction would increase and the amplitude would decrease over time.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by JoseR

Let it go. You're opening a can of worms with this 32XX post.

My bad for having confidence in Rolex's ability to fix this issue by 2023! I get my SD43 back next week from Dallas RSC and hope that it keeps on ticking within superlative specs. Is that too much to ask for?

[daysky1]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

I guess "lemons" might be too strong, but all are out of Rolex specs (+2/-2). My SD43 (2018) is -14 secs slow (in for service at Dallas RSC), Air King (5/2023) is running -10 secs slow and in for warranty. The GMT-II (10/2023) is just out of spec at -3 with a deteriorating amplitude. I'm in no rush to send this in. Will wit to see if it drops below -10 secs like the others did.

As Padi points out there are 86,400 seconds in a day what's 10 more or less seconds?

Which instrument are you using to test your watch.?

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by daysky1

Which instrument are you using to test your watch.?

I have a Weishi 1900 timegrapher, however, I also took it to my local AD (RSC certified) to get tested.