1675 Fuchsia

[BigBlue1]

Is this a service dial ? Curious as to the insert as well. As always any and all help is much appreciated.

Thank you in advance
John

[springer]

Service dial and probably the hands too. The insert is probably one of those fake inserts being sold on ebay.

[swaini3]

Service dial yes, insert is good imo.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by springer

Service dial and probably the hands too. The insert is probably one of those fake inserts being sold on ebay.

Really, you think the insert is fake ? I wasn’t sure myself and is why I asked. I thought the dial and hands were service though.
As to the insert, I questioned the fade of the blue.

[springer]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

Really, you think the insert is fake ? I wasn’t sure myself and is why I asked. I thought the dial and hands were service though.
As to the insert, I questioned the fade of the blue.

Could it be aftermarket...yes. I just saw some at a watch show that would fool anyone. Same weight, same size except some, but not all, are blue backs. I'm not 100%sure that the fuchsia is fake, but, who puts a $7,000 insert on a service watch? It is not anything that I have seen before but anything is possible.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by springer

Could it be aftermarket...yes. I just saw some at a watch show that would fool anyone. Same weight, same size except some, but not all, are blue backs. I'm not 100%sure that the fuchsia is fake, but, who puts a $7,000 insert on a service watch? It is not anything that I have seen before but anything is possible.

Thank you JP

[BigBlue1]

I reached out to the seller for better photos of the insert. I asked to remove and photos of the back side

[antrolexsub]

The insert is genuine.

[comanndr]

insert has oval eight
need picture high resolution of the backside please
for final answer

[springer]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

The insert is genuine.

Curious as to why you and the other member are writing the insert is genuine?

I would like to know the inside knowledge so I won't get ripped-off after 25 years of buying and owning GMTs.

[springer]

Originally Posted by comanndr

insert has oval eight
need picture high resolution of the backside please
for final answer

You might want to look at my first post here. There are fuchsia inserts that look identical to the genuine inserts...oval 8s and all. Additionally, if you think that just because the backside is fuchsia, that it is genuine, then you could be mistaken. They are being sold on ebay with blue backs and being dyed, painted or whatever, to a fuchsia color. And, they can be bought from whoever sells them with fuchsia back sides - just not blue.

Enough from me. I am just the messenger. Be extra careful on what you're buying and from whom you buy inserts - whether regular red backs or fuchsias.

I have no horse in this race since I only have a couple in my collection and I've had them for over a decade. Just posting a community public service message from me to you.

[TimeLord2]

I too have seen these aftermarket inserts on EBAY. The flaring of the intersection of the leg of the 6 with the round portion is what gives me pause. But there is no mistaking there are very good reproductions available. That said, I am not looking for a Fuchsia insert and have not done an exhaustive review but would still take JP's sage advice.

[springer]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

I too have seen these aftermarket inserts on EBAY. The flaring of the intersection of the leg of the 6 with the round portion is what gives me pause. But there is no mistaking there are very good reproductions available. That said, I am not looking for a Fuchsia insert and have not done an exhaustive review but would still take JP's sage advice.

Check with laserflorida. He collects fuchsias and other fine inserts.

Here is a good thread on the fuchsias. Everyone should have a look at this thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...20360#poststop

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by springer

Curious as to why you and the other member are writing the insert is genuine?

I would like to know the inside knowledge so I won't get ripped-off after 25 years of buying and owning GMTs.

Well I'm judging by one picture. It does look genuine and not like the ones on ebay. I wish you can show us what you saw that could fool us, just so I learn.

[springer]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

I too have seen these aftermarket inserts on EBAY. The flaring of the intersection of the leg of the 6 with the round portion is what gives me pause. But there is no mistaking there are very good reproductions available. That said, I am not looking for a Fuchsia insert and have not done an exhaustive review but would still take JP's sage advice.

It looked 100% genuine too me. Not much more that I can say except the counterfeiters are faking dials, cases, internal parts booklets, warranty cards, complete watches, etc. etc, and yes, they even fake our currency!

[springer]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Well I'm judging by one picture. It does look genuine and not like the ones on ebay. I wish you can show us what you saw that could fool us, just so I learn.

Nothing to show except to say it looked genuine. Several knowledgeable collectors and dealers also looked at these fake inserts at the show a couple weeks ago and everyone thought they were real - until told otherwise.

One clue as to whether it is genuine or not might be the condition. If it looks 100% new, I would hope that most would look twice at an insert looking new and question its authenticity. And, as we all know, nothing keeps someone from aging an insert so keep that in mind.

This also applies to other inserts including the Submariners.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by springer

Nothing to show except to say it looked genuine. Several knowledgeable collectors and dealers also looked at these fake inserts at the show a couple weeks ago and everyone thought they were real - until told otherwise.

One clue as to whether it is genuine or not might be the condition. If it looks 100% new, I would hope that most would look twice at an insert looking new and question its authenticity. And, as we all know, nothing keeps someone from aging an insert so keep that in mind.

This also applies to other inserts including the Submariners.

I trust your word JP and always have. Thank you again for protecting us and keeping us in the know. Of course I have yet to hear from the seller.

[MrChamfers]

So the jury is still out on this insert. It's "probably" one of the ebay aftermarket specials, but also looked 100% genuine.
The only red flag so far is doesn't make sense to put a real fuchsia insert on a service watch, like Springer said. A pic of the back would be great.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by springer

Curious as to why you and the other member are writing the insert is genuine?

I would like to know the inside knowledge so I won't get ripped-off after 25 years of buying and owning GMTs.

Because it’s undoubtedly genuine. I’m not sure what you’re seeing? The cliche used is same variant used to print gilt era inserts with the fat bow sided triangle and the half circle “bite” out of the base of the top oval in the 8’s.

I know the fake inserts you speak of, they are convincing at first glance, that I do agree with, however they are of a completely different cliche to what we have here and resemble the slightly later inserts with a taller thinner triangle and “full” oval 8’s without the bite in the base.

I’ve yet to see this cliche faked and doubt it would be with such accuracy. Even the fakes mentioned above have some tells that I won’t go into here for obvious reasons.

[77T]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

I trust your word JP and always have. Thank you again for protecting us and keeping us in the know. Of course I have yet to hear from the seller.

Did the seller offer any other info in their listing beyond a single photo?

For example, s/n (photo or number range), paperwork, claim of originality?


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[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by 77T

Did the seller offer any other info in their listing beyond a single photo?

For example, s/n (photo or number range), paperwork, claim of originality?


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Brand: Rolex
Model: GMT-Master
Reference: 1675
Case Size: 40mm
Movement: Automatic Cal. 1575
Complications: GMT Function
Noteworthy Details: Fuschia colored bezel insert Crystal: Plexiglass
Year of Manufacture: 1972
Box & Papers: No
Along with mentioning that the Dial was changed to a newer one and tha the hour hand appears to have lost some luminescence material

[TimeToGo]

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I saw the listing, Datejust bracelet - 555 ends.
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"fuschia colored" should follow with him remove the bezel to show the back of the insert as has been mentioned, just for caution sake..

[77T]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

Brand: Rolex
Model: GMT-Master
Reference: 1675
Case Size: 40mm
Movement: Automatic Cal. 1575
Complications: GMT Function
Noteworthy Details: Fuschia colored bezel insert Crystal: Plexiglass
Year of Manufacture: 1972
Box & Papers: No
Along with mentioning that the Dial was changed to a newer one and tha the hour hand appears to have lost some luminescence material

Thanks much - I think he avoided equivocation by simply saying “fuschia colored”…

Originally Posted by springer

Curious as to why you and the other member are writing the insert is genuine?



I would like to know the inside knowledge so I won't get ripped-off after 25 years of buying and owning GMTs.

Mirthful…
As I learn everyday from the masters, I seek good comparo’s like this late ‘60’s insert at this link:

https://gmtmaster1675.com/the-bezel/#jp-carousel-4400

I believe you might know it well?


(would have pasted the photo except TapaTalk is having its customary photo upload failures this afternoon)

But I think “stare and compare” should reveal the difference.


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[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by 77T

Thanks much - I think he avoided equivocation by simply saying “fuschia colored”…




Mirthful…
As I learn everyday from the masters, I seek good comparo’s like this late ‘60’s insert at this link:

https://gmtmaster1675.com/the-bezel/#jp-carousel-4400

I believe you might know it well?


(would have pasted the photo except TapaTalk is having its customary photo upload failures this afternoon)

But I think “stare and compare” should reveal the difference.


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Paul G

I just did what you suggested and yes absolutely now I can totally see. I wi t point it out but J P is right about this one.

Thank you both

[MrChamfers]

There are a few different font variations with these fuchsia inserts.
The OP's insert doesn't match the one on the gmtmaster1675 link, but that's just one font type.

[swaini3]

the gmt mentioned website does not show all versions/fonts of the GMT inserts. just fyi. If it's not there, it does not mean it does not exist.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by springer

Check with laserflorida. He collects fuchsias and other fine inserts.

Here is a good thread on the fuchsias. Everyone should have a look at this thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...20360#poststop

Thanks for the reference! In the larger scheme of things, we're doomed…

[zapokee]

Jeez. The fakes are getting so good that even the experts can't agree.

I'll just enjoy my current collection. I'm out.

[antrolexsub]

Same font/cliche type. Both undoubtedly authentic:

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Same font/cliche type. Both undoubtedly authentic:

I'm with you on this one, links good to me!