What is happening to VC Overseas?

[Viper0419]

Guys,

About a year back I was at a VC boutique and all the overseas model ( time and date only, dual time, chrono) are all available. Pick any colour you like and they are also willing to offer a 10% discount.

Today I can’t get any chrono or date and time. Only dual time black and silver. What is happening?

Is the watch market finally appreciating the value of VC or are people just going into this because they can’t buy a nautilus, royal oak and Rolex sports model at retail?

I also noticed that there’s a crazy premium in the used market for these now while the gen 1&2 is usually sold at a big loss from retail. Especially for the blue dials.

I wonder if this is merely a temporary thing or it’s like that now?

[EEpro]

I think for the reasons you stated and of course it's going to stay this way and go way higher!

[cascavel]

The Gen I Overseas is a much smaller watch and has a less robust bracelet although the chronograph is interesting for those who like more traditional sizing. The Gen II Chronograph is the best of the Overseas models but has a few quirks which most buyers never appreciated. The Gen III has caught on because of the price differential between it and AP's and PP's offerings and the improved dial colors.
Believe it or not the AP 39mm RO chronograph (16300?) was an absolute dog on the market until very recently when the price was dragged up by the popularity of the current AP RO chronograph offerings. Buyer's inexplicable preferences for certain models drives pricing but leaves opportunities for others.

[steeevvvooo]

Originally Posted by cascavel

The Gen I Overseas is a much smaller watch and has a less robust bracelet although the chronograph is interesting for those who like more traditional sizing. The Gen II Chronograph is the best of the Overseas models but has a few quirks which most buyers never appreciated. The Gen III has caught on because of the price differential between it and AP's and PP's offerings and the improved dial colors.
Believe it or not the AP 39mm RO chronograph (16300?) was an absolute dog on the market until very recently when the price was dragged up by the popularity of the current AP RO chronograph offerings. Buyer's inexplicable preferences for certain models drives pricing but leaves opportunities for others.

Well said. Enjoying my Gen 2 chrono as we speak! I have considered the Gen 3 multiple times and although undoubtedly a great watch I can't fathom the price difference.

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[dchang81]

every sport watch is doing well. which makes me worried for brands that are struggling in this insane watch market. i mean when i walked by the AP boutique the salesguy literally came outside to say "we have nothing sorry" funny that VC has a "hit" on their hands and basically it's due to its competition going nuts. i like the overseas but it's definitely a case of rising tides raise all ships.

[Uppersouth]

Yes, I agree the elevated awareness of the Overseas is due to lack of availability of the other hot watches mentioned, but really believe it’s a better value at retail than the AP and Patek equivalents. The flexibility of the strap system alone, adds so much versatility and the blue dial has no equal outside the house of Journe.

[NYG1121]

Sometimes it takes extreme market conditions to allow these underrated pieces to get their much deserved attention. This COULD allow VC to get back in the mix in terms of popularity and prestige. Although they don’t really need it since they are the oldest brand around. I suspect this is only the beginning for the overseas line.

[Uppersouth]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Sometimes it takes extreme market conditions to allow these underrated pieces to get their much deserved attention. This COULD allow VC to get back in the mix in terms of popularity and prestige. Although they don’t really need it since they are the oldest brand around. I suspect this is only the beginning for the overseas line.

I agree and really hope this new appreciation will cause the watch community to further inspect VC’s other amazing references. I guess the cycle will eventually get back around to dress complications at some point and VC will be well positioned. The real question remains, do we ever return to dress watches or just dressy sport watches?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by EEpro

I think for the reasons you stated and of course it's going to stay this way and go way higher!

You’re killing me Brad

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You’re killing me Brad

I'll wear you down like you did me with those beautiful pics of your Pepsi.

[GreenLantern]

The social media hype machine is strong.

It affected Rolex, Patek, AP, and since no one can get those, they're turning to VC (a strong contender, obviously).

I sure do hate the hype machine.

[flyguy33]

Originally Posted by cascavel

The Gen I Overseas is a much smaller watch and has a less robust bracelet although the chronograph is interesting for those who like more traditional sizing. The Gen II Chronograph is the best of the Overseas models but has a few quirks which most buyers never appreciated. The Gen III has caught on because of the price differential between it and AP's and PP's offerings and the improved dial colors.
Believe it or not the AP 39mm RO chronograph (16300?) was an absolute dog on the market until very recently when the price was dragged up by the popularity of the current AP RO chronograph offerings. Buyer's inexplicable preferences for certain models drives pricing but leaves opportunities for others.

The Gen 1 chronograph has virtually the same dimensions as a Daytona. I'd be curious to hear from someone who has worn all three generations about how big the three versions wear since the dimensions have changed considerably over the years.

I've got a Gen 1 chrono that wears well on my 8" wrist.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by flyguy33

The Gen 1 chronograph has virtually the same dimensions as a Daytona. I'd be curious to hear from someone who has worn all three generations about how big the three versions wear since the dimensions have changed considerably over the years.

I've got a Gen 1 chrono that wears well on my 8" wrist.

I love the Gen 1 Chrono and looked for one when I lived in New York City but never found a full set in the condition I wanted. It's the next watch I want to buy and have shifted to wanting a yellow gold on bracelet. These are such fantastic watches with a beautiful vintage style and a superb movement.
Glad to hear that you like yours and it wears well on an 8" wrist.

[PBJ1925]

As many have noted tide is up on just about all popular sports models across a number of brands. A couple friends of mine who are itching to jump into their first 'luxury' piece followed this experience:

1) I want a _____ Rolex. Either wait (who knows how long) or pay market price at a grey.

2) Well if I'm paying 20k for a Pepsi, or 30k for a Daytona, then how about an AP?

3) Checks AP. Can't get an Royal Oak 41mm or ROO. Either wait (who knows how long) or pay market price.

4) Well if I can't get an AP or am paying a premium, how about I look into a Patek?

5) Patek sports model sticker shock.

6) What about a VC? Either that or they land at a discount on an Omega, BlancPain, etc..

Beginning of the year, my local VC AD was flush with Overseas. Seems like they are moving relatively quick especially this past month, including some of our favorite trusted sellers.

[Viper0419]

Let's just hope that this upward price trend will hold.

Its significantly more costly to buy one now. Hope it won't tank in the near future.

[GreenLantern]

Sounds like when all is said and done, we're going to be left with Invicta watches.

[Toproll85]

Originally Posted by Viper0419

Is the watch market finally appreciating the value of VC or are people just going into this because they can’t buy a nautilus, royal oak and Rolex sports model at retail?

Yes that's it !

It was released in 2016, and indeed until the end of last year everything was widely available.

I have a strong belief that this is the unavailability of the rest of the Trinity accentuated by the production shutdown of the Patek 5711.

People therefore fall back by default, even out of spite, on the latest HH sportswatch with an integrated bracelet more or less available in a few months (which will therefore no longer be so by next year).

[mongrelnomoad]

Just re-release the 222 and take my money. Please.

[youthagainsttt]

I really like the Gen 1/2 design and think they are better than Gen 3 overall. But the latter does have the easy change to bracelet/straps. My fave of all is the Gen 2 Dual time/power reserve

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

Just re-release the 222 and take my money. Please.

That would work.

[shafran]

Originally Posted by Viper0419

Guys,

About a year back I was at a VC boutique and all the overseas model ( time and date only, dual time, chrono) are all available. Pick any colour you like and they are also willing to offer a 10% discount.

Today I can’t get any chrono or date and time. Only dual time black and silver. What is happening?

Is the watch market finally appreciating the value of VC or are people just going into this because they can’t buy a nautilus, royal oak and Rolex sports model at retail?

I also noticed that there’s a crazy premium in the used market for these now while the gen 1&2 is usually sold at a big loss from retail. Especially for the blue dials.

I wonder if this is merely a temporary thing or it’s like that now?

The whole ss watch market could be in a bubble. It is happening along all luxury goods. Factories have not been producing due to coverage so the whole supply chain is broken. If manufacturing ramps up enough, the drought will end and secondary prices will fall. Older models that are no longer made will feel the effect less. A gen 2 chrono has gone up about 30 percent in value over the last year.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by cascavel

That would work.

Count me in too.

[Scyb]

Due to all the covid stimulus, there is a rampant increase of the monetary supply. The wealthy have much more money to fling around. The luxury goods prices will just continue to go up and up...

[stockae92]

you can call it "people are finally aware of VC", but I call it "I now have money but couldn't get a Rolex, AP, PP so whats the next best thing".

I am happy that VC is finally getting much deserved attention. The only reason why I pass on the current Overseas is because the bracelet is not "small wrist friendly". If they fix that, I would be the first guy to line up at their boutique.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by stockae92

you can call it "people are finally aware of VC", but I call it "I now have money but couldn't get a Rolex, AP, PP so whats the next best thing".

I am happy that VC is finally getting much deserved attention. The only reason why I pass on the current Overseas is because the bracelet is not "small wrist friendly". If they fix that, I would be the first guy to line up at their boutique.

Some truth right there... I can get the Rolex I want but AP not so much. No interest whatsoever in Patek save for the annual calendar but don't need one. That search for something better did lead me to VC and I'm very thankful for that. I don't see anything else out there save for a royal oak that gets my attention like the overseas. Especially in real life.