Sending 16710BLRO to RSC for Jubilee add-on...

[pa1113]

Hi all -- could use some advice -- I have wanted to add the ref 63600 super jubilee to my 16710BLRO (currently on oyster) after reading a few threads here on that option. I've decided that's how I want to go as I'd like the more modern bracelet "feel" if wearing it on jubilee (I love the old school oyster btw). I contacted Dallas RSC and they have the bracelet and can get it for me but I have to send my watch in. I'm ok with that but... they also mentioned it's a trade in sorta thing where they'll keep my oyster bracelet unless I pay an additional fee.

Has anyone ever heard of that? They said the fee was $100-$200 range, nothing major but still seemed odd.

My other question is... what are your thoughts on me simply removing my bracelet and sending the watch head only? Then there is no bracelet to worry about them keeping and no issues. In that case would they make me send the bracelet separately??

Love to hear thoughts if you have input. Thanks!


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[Eric88]

I wouldn't do a trade like that - if the RSC is willing to sell you a jubilee and you can keep your oyster, I'd do that...even if there's a "fee" which also seems odd.

Have you looked around to find one on the used market? Oftentimes they come up on this forum and sellers have NOS bracelets for sale.

If RSC wants you to send your watch to them, I'm curious if they are also going to require you to have it serviced...which is another high ticket item if you don't need the service...which is unlikely as your watch isn't very old.

[Osmin]

I read about change in policy, that you cannot buy it anymore, only swap. At least in Europe this is the case. Some ADs might still do it differently. Before you send it in, make sure you know what you get.

[moesalty]

Curious as well. Good post.

[pa1113]

Originally Posted by Eric88

I wouldn't do a trade like that - if the RSC is willing to sell you a jubilee and you can keep your oyster, I'd do that...even if there's a "fee" which also seems odd.

Have you looked around to find one on the used market? Oftentimes they come up on this forum and sellers have NOS bracelets for sale.

If RSC wants you to send your watch to them, I'm curious if they are also going to require you to have it serviced...which is another high ticket item if you don't need the service...which is unlikely as your watch isn't very old.

Agreed. I'd only consider it if I can keep the oyster as well. They said it's a small fee to keep it and get the new one.

I was wide open to purchasing here but the RSC cost is $1150 and I can't find one here or elsewhere (reputable) for less than $2500-ish.

They have said no service needed. It was there in 2021 for full service, FYI.


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[tjs1295]

What exactly is the $100-$200 fee for? And what happens if you don’t pay it? I’m not quite following you.

[pa1113]

Originally Posted by tjs1295

What exactly is the $100-$200 fee for? And what happens if you don’t pay it? I’m not quite following you.

The rep on phone from RSC said the $1150 is a cost inc my bracelet trade in. But I could pay that amount ($100-200 was his guess but he said he doesn't do that part) and keep my bracelet. So, I guess, more of a purchase than a straight trade in. My gut says if I send watch head only they'll simply charge me the extra since I don't have the "trade in"... and that's what I was hoping someone may have input on.


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[Eric88]

Originally Posted by pa1113

The rep on phone from RSC said the $1150 is a cost inc my bracelet trade in. But I could pay that amount ($100-200 was his guess but he said he doesn't do that part) and keep my bracelet. So, I guess, more of a purchase than a straight trade in. My gut says if I send watch head only they'll simply charge me the extra since I don't have the "trade in"... and that's what I was hoping someone may have input on.


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So they want to charge you $1150 for the "trade" and they keep your oyster. Or you can add $100-200 to your bill and keep both for about $1250-1350? That seems the way to go for sure, particularly if your research on buying on the open market has jubilee bracelets in the $2500 range. Definitely don't give up your oyster, as you'd spend more than $2500 total between the jubilee RSC "deal" and getting another oyster, if that's on your mind.

[tjs1295]

Originally Posted by Eric88

So they want to charge you $1150 for the "trade" and they keep your oyster. Or you can add $100-200 to your bill and keep both for about $1250-1350? That seems the way to go for sure, particularly if your research on buying on the open market has jubilee bracelets in the $2500 range. Definitely don't give up your oyster, as you'd spend more than $2500 total between the jubilee RSC "deal" and getting another oyster, if that's on your mind.

I’d do this as well. How much does a jubilee cost if you have to give them your oyster plus $1150 just to get one? I’d definitely pay $100-$200 more to have both.

[KatGirl]

Just call them back and tell them you prefer to just remove the oyster bracelet, and just send the watch head. See if that changes anything.

Kat


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[GolfJunkie]

Are you sure RSC will sell you a super jubilee (63600) that only came on datejusts for your 116710blnr that only came on oyster?

From my understanding, Rolex will not allow that.

[pa1113]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

Are you sure RSC will sell you a super jubilee (63600) that only came on datejusts for your 116710blnr that only came on oyster?

From my understanding, Rolex will not allow that.

They said they will. The 16710 was available on oyster or jubilee (but not this exact jubilee). Supposedly it was an "option" they'll allow... I don't totally understand that part but they said yes on the call.


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[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by pa1113

They said they will. Supposedly it was an "option"... I don't totally understand that part but they said yes.


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RSC will not sell you a bracelet that didn't originally come with that reference. If RSC said the cost of the jubilee is $1150.00 it's the classic jubilee [seen below], which would have been an option on a 16710, not the modern super jubilee [63600].
dP

[mf44]

If it were me, I'd send the watch head in only, and not send the bracelet. Even if they are telling you that you can keep both with an added fee, without that promise in writing I would not want to risk RSC holding one of the bracelets "hostage" when the price changes or that option turns out to not be a valid one. Regardless, assuming it's only a $100-200 uncharge to keep the oyster, that's the way to go.

Anyways, please keep us posted on what you do and how the process goes. I've been contemplating this for my own 16710, so I'd love to hear your experience, start to finish.

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by pa1113

They said they will. The 16710 was available on oyster or jubilee (but not this exact jubilee). Supposedly it was an "option" they'll allow... I don't totally understand that part but they said yes on the call.


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No, you're right. I had the BLNR on my mind from another post and thought that's the reference you were referring to when I originally replied.

Yes, the 16710 came on both oyster and jubilee, but not the 63600. I'd be surprised if they sold you that bracelet for that watch. Keep us updated.

[pa1113]

Thanks all - I'll update the thread as things move forward.

Dave


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[Flipmarine2k]

Just send the head on a rubber. I drove to rsc Beverly Hills with my 16710 on a aftermarket rubber. Asked for jubilee. They overnighted one from another rsc in the US and had the watch ready for me in 2 days. I did have to leave the watch there

[Chadridv]

first off, RSC will likely not sell you a 63600 on a 126710. I think you might have a misunderstanding here. They will almost definitely swap out your oyster for the jubilee ref that comes with the 126710. Just clarify with them if the 63600 is the one you want.

Second, trading your oyster +$200 for the jubilee isn't a bad trade. The jubilee costs more, I think around $200 more. So a used oyster bracelet for a brand new jubilee is a great swap for you.

That said, if you bring your watch in with no bracelet and say you lost it, they'll just sell you the jubilee. That is the best of all worlds. If you can somehow get away with owning both I would. However, it sounds like they'd know you didn't lose the oyster since you already made arrangements.

[pa1113]

Update-- Lots of good advice given in this thread… Thank you all.

Based on some of it, and not wanting to send my watch away without a guarantee, I called RSC Dallas again on Friday. Waited on hold while a nice rep talked to one of their main technicians on the floor and I did get it 100% verified that they won't sell me the 63600 (only the 62510h). Also, if they would the price I was quoted last week was incorrect. Correct price is $1700 and he re-verified that. Now I need to decide if I believe I will like the 62510h enough to go with that one- as part of the allure for me, was the solid, super Jubilee bracelet. Felt like it would give me a neo-vintage feel (original oyster) and new feel (63600) as options when wearing. To be continued


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[espanol]

The authorized dealer that sold me my 126710 BLRO on jubilee later sold me the modern oyster bracelets that comes on 126710 oyster models. Is that not an option?

[interestedwatcher]

Correct bracelet is the 62510 with 50 stamped on the bracelet.

[dcash0615]

Bracelet 62510h mk50 with 502t end links will work on the 16710 and 16610 with or without holes case.

[Tach24LMS]

Would just be easier if they phrased things as "total cost is 1300, less a discount of 200 for trade in of the oyster. If you wish to keep the oyster, then it's the full 1300 fee"

That's how I'm reading this.

If you just send the watch head, you'll just pay full price anyway.

[Tach24LMS]

Also, in regards to your desire for super jubilee, you could always just buy one used outright if you can find one, if that's the look you're going for.


https://millenarywatches.com/rolex-s...e-63600-guide/

"Superjubilee Reference 63600 Fits Almost Any Rolex

What’s so special about the Rolex Superjubilee is that it fits almost any Rolex, no matter if it’s a 5-digit or 6-digit reference, which makes it possible to have the bracelet installed on a GMT Master II reference 116710BLNR for example. In some cases, you just need to change the spring bar in order to get a perfect fit.

In 2018 when Rolex presented the GMT Master II reference 126710BLNR, commonly known as batgirl/batman with jubilee bracelet, the thought of just equipping the previous GMT Master II 116710BLNR with a Jubilee bracelet (which was sold with an Oyster bracelet) was appealing to a lot of owners for that model.

This small change would make the GMT master II look like the newest model at first glance, and the process of doing so is very simple, just swap the Oyster bracelet for a Jubilee bracelet. If you were to have the same construction of jubilee, the only appropriate jubilee bracelet which you could install would be the Superjubilee reference 63600.

This caused the bracelet to be trendy, and the demand for this particular spare bracelet became huge. What happened to the bracelet, is similar to what’s happening with all the popular sports models which sell over the recommended retail price as the demand for this particular bracelet is higher than the supply, and with the difficulty of buying one directly from an Authorized Dealer, the only possible place to get this bracelet would be at the second-hand market.

Some of the watches that the Superjubilee 63600 fits are:

116610LN
114060
116610LV
116710LN
116710BLNR
16570 (without lug holes)
116500
16710
214270
116520
16610
14060
16610LV
(And of course, gold/gold and steel variants of the above, if you prefer.

NOTE: as mentioned, you may need different spring bars to make the bracelet fit.

Are you a fan of the Superjubilee Rolex 63600 bracelet? Let us know below!"

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Tach24LMS

Also, in regards to your desire for super jubilee, you could always just buy one used outright if you can find one, if that's the look you're going for.


https://millenarywatches.com/rolex-s...e-63600-guide/

"Superjubilee Reference 63600 Fits Almost Any Rolex

What’s so special about the Rolex Superjubilee is that it fits almost any Rolex, no matter if it’s a 5-digit or 6-digit reference, which makes it possible to have the bracelet installed on a GMT Master II reference 116710BLNR for example. In some cases, you just need to change the spring bar in order to get a perfect fit.

In 2018 when Rolex presented the GMT Master II reference 126710BLNR, commonly known as batgirl/batman with jubilee bracelet, the thought of just equipping the previous GMT Master II 116710BLNR with a Jubilee bracelet (which was sold with an Oyster bracelet) was appealing to a lot of owners for that model.

This small change would make the GMT master II look like the newest model at first glance, and the process of doing so is very simple, just swap the Oyster bracelet for a Jubilee bracelet. If you were to have the same construction of jubilee, the only appropriate jubilee bracelet which you could install would be the Superjubilee reference 63600.

This caused the bracelet to be trendy, and the demand for this particular spare bracelet became huge. What happened to the bracelet, is similar to what’s happening with all the popular sports models which sell over the recommended retail price as the demand for this particular bracelet is higher than the supply, and with the difficulty of buying one directly from an Authorized Dealer, the only possible place to get this bracelet would be at the second-hand market.

Some of the watches that the Superjubilee 63600 fits are:

116610LN
114060
116610LV
116710LN
116710BLNR
16570 (without lug holes)
116500
16710
214270
116520
16610
14060
16610LV
(And of course, gold/gold and steel variants of the above, if you prefer.

NOTE: as mentioned, you may need different spring bars to make the bracelet fit.

Are you a fan of the Superjubilee Rolex 63600 bracelet? Let us know below!"

Having owned the super jubilee and the classic jubilee I can verify while the super will fit some 5 digit references the end link to case fit is not perfect and does leave a slightly noticeable gap. The super jubilee feels somewhat heavier when held in hand but feels very similar to the classic jubilee once placed on the wrist.

Yes, a super jubilee can be sourced by a private seller but the cost is quite high [supply/ demand] and it will have to be removed when sent to RSC. Have to say the classic just works so well w/ the 16710.
dP

[favx]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Just call them back and tell them you prefer to just remove the oyster bracelet, and just send the watch head. See if that changes anything.

Kat


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Great idea

[pa1113]

Thanks again all - great and helpful thread on many fronts so far...

Can someone verify 1) what is the difference bw the 62510 and 62510H? And 2) did one or the other come standard on my F serial 2004, 16710BLRO? Or doesn't it matter?

Thanks!


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[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by pa1113

Thanks again all - great and helpful thread on many fronts so far...

Can someone verify 1) what is the difference bw the 62510 and 62510H? And 2) did one or the other come standard on my F serial 2004, 16710BLRO? Or doesn't it matter?

Thanks!


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1) Not sure of the difference.

2) The 62510H would have come standard on your 2004 16710. The important thing is the 502T end links which allow access to the spring bars on GMTs without lug holes, and they would be included w/ the 62510H.
dP

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Having owned the super jubilee and the classic jubilee I can verify while the super will fit some 5 digit references the end link to case fit is not perfect and does leave a slightly noticeable gap. The super jubilee feels somewhat heavier when held in hand but feels very similar to the classic jubilee once placed on the wrist.

Yes, a super jubilee can be sourced by a private seller but the cost is quite high [supply/ demand] and it will have to be removed when sent to RSC. Have to say the classic just works so well w/ the 16710.
dP

[Calatrava r]

Hopefully just sending the watch head in to RSC will do the trick for you.