Vintage 1675 advice

[MG288]

Been looking for a nice 1675 pepsi for awhile and came across this one on my local craigslist. I know the hands are not original but it has a gilt dial and some nice patina and the case seems in overall good shape. Would appreciate any advice about what would be a fair price to pay for this and any other comments or suggestions you may have. Thank you everyone! - Mike

[edieee]

how much is he asking for?


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[Dr DRW]

I'm no GMT expert but What's the serial? Does it jibe with the gilt dial?
Insert probably a replacement
Need better pics of lugs and caseback
Clean 1675s range from 5-8k but gilts tend to
Be much higher seen some at 15-20k

[MG288]

Originally Posted by Dr DRW

I'm no GMT expert but What's the serial? Does it jibe with the gilt dial?
Insert probably a replacement
Need better pics of lugs and caseback
Clean 1675s range from 5-8k but gilts tend to
Be much higher seen some at 15-20k

8k is his bottom. just not sure if its worth it with replacement hands and maybe replacement bezel. does gilt really make it that much more desirable ?

[CharlieMae]

I posted on another thread about pricing and I will post on this one too. Please show me a Gilt dial 1675 that sold for 15-20k. Not a chapter ring, not a full set, not one with papers...a simple Gilt dial GMT 1675 for 15k-20k. I have 5 for sale at that price right now and wish I could get close to that much.

[morafa4]

I'm with CharlieMae on this one - that kind of pricing is a little ludicrous just because it's gilt. But I will say that early 1675s, talking long E here, in an unpolished condition (people are pretty excited about that these days) are commanding a bit more than they usually are.

Me thinks vintage in general is in an upswing, and seeing as GMTs are the best value in the vtg Rolex world, it'd make sense for them to outgrow their old price structure and play catch-up in that arena.

[watchcrank]

One scan, can't tell if pointed crown guard, perhaps 1.3-1.4 million case? Dial looks glossy from the scan. & I think 8K is a fair price if everything is very nice and correct. That said GMT's are down in prices from all that I can see right now. Seen decent chapter ring heads at 10-11K asking recently. Box and paper with great dial and cases are different animal. On the example above I'd want a close up of lume plots, replacement hands and insert can be replaced but if re lumed dial value drops considerable. m

[mike]

Originally Posted by MG992

8k is his bottom. just not sure if its worth it with replacement hands and maybe replacement bezel. does gilt really make it that much more desirable ?

Gilt certainly makes a difference, but condition is always key. The replacement hands hurt a bit. The glare on the dial makes seeing detail hard. Might be a tad strong pricing.

I do think there are 15K and up examples but that pointed crown guards, OCC markings, chapter ring, etc....

[CharlieMae]

watchcrank: If it was a PCG then it would be a chapter ring and this dial would be incorrect for this watch. I agree it is probably somewhere between 1.25-1.35m. I also agree that this watch "could" be worth $8,000 even in this condition but, the case back would have to jive with the serial numbers and the dial. The hands, insert and bracelet are all wrong, but the dial, if original is where the money is.

[springer]

It appears that the case might have pointed crown guards (PCG), and if it is, the dial does not appear correct. Additionally, besides the dial, the hands insert and bracelet are incorrect for a PCG case and are replacements.

[watchcrank]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

watchcrank: If it was a PCG then it would be a chapter ring and this dial would be incorrect for this watch. I agree it is probably somewhere between 1.25-1.35m. I also agree that this watch "could" be worth $8,000 even in this condition but, the case back would have to jive with the serial numbers and the dial. The hands, insert and bracelet are all wrong, but the dial, if original is where the money is.

Thanks Charlie and I agree with most of your comments except the chapter ring dial, don't forget about the "swiss" only non chapter rings that pop up Happy New Year to all. M

[CharlieMae]

It is hard to tell but, if the plots are crumbled or there is damage to the dial surface like nicks, scratches or marring then I would pass completely. Not worth anywhere near 8k with damaged dial, replacement hands and insert and probably incorrect bracelet too as it should be rivet.

Watch crank: this is not a Swiss only dial it is a t swiss which makes it incorrect for this case.

[watchcrank]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

It is hard to tell but, if the plots are crumbled or there is damage to the dial surface like nicks, scratches or marring then I would pass completely. Not worth anywhere near 8k with damaged dial, replacement hands and insert and probably incorrect bracelet too as it should be rivet.

Watch crank: this is not a Swiss only dial it is a t swiss which makes it incorrect for this case.

I know this Charlie, it looked like it could be a pcg from scan but my comment was "if" as I like to see the whole scan from different shots etc. I'd never buy from one scan nor without seeing case markings or case back marks as well.
All of these things make a big difference to collectors of course & none of my comments are based upon anything factual from one scan. Plus I did not say it was a "swiss" only dial only that when you begin pointing out specifics you need all the information and this one scan does not give anyone enough total information to go on.

[CharlieMae]

It is a PCG making the dial incorrect as well as every other part to the watch. I wasn't questioning your knowledge just stating it isn't a Swiss dial. Wrong hands, especially wrong Gmt arrow, wrong insert, wrong bracelet.. It's no longer an $8000 watch to me but around here the prices I hear people paying, it could be worth 25k ��