List of every 18038 day date dial?

[lis]

Is there a post somewhere that shows all the 18038 day date dials? I did a search but couldn’t get specific enough to pull up anything just on 18038s.

[crowncollection]

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[MorningTundra]

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Any idea what the “Invalid Purchase” means?

[crowncollection]

This is not every dial btw by far.


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[lis]

Doesn’t seem to include the stellas or the plain dials without jewels. I’d be interested in seeing those variations. But really nice to see the dials like this!

[miamiclay]

Originally Posted by MorningTundra

Any idea what the “Invalid Purchase” means?

I’ve assumed it means “once available, but no longer.”

David, is there a date on those lists? Are there similar lists with all-18238 dial numbers? I have a dial option sheet (without photos) for 5-digits which lists ones not shown here, but I think all the photo-lists I’ve seen have “13/18038-etc.” like these, where the “etc.” part is actually the dial number.

Some interesting stuff!
- Many of the stone dials are shown *only* with the 6/9 diamond markers. I believe these came later than the no-markers stone dials, but no-markers stone dials were certainly offered on 182xx references.
- Is that red no-markers dial carnelian? Coral? Something else?
- Shows the red and brown vignettes, and two different diamond styles are shown on blue vignettes (one is invalid, and neither has the smaller 8+2 settings), but no green vignette.
- No non-diamond vignettes - I’ve suspected there were no such ever offered, and I’ve only seen one image of such (a brown one) which claimed to be factory.

[HCP]

Scuse me, do you know if existt the dame list for day date 18238?
Thank you.

[jannie@]

Originally Posted by miamiclay

I’ve assumed it means “once available, but no longer.”

David, is there a date on those lists? Are there similar lists with all-18238 dial numbers? I have a dial option sheet (without photos) for 5-digits which lists ones not shown here, but I think all the photo-lists I’ve seen have “13/18038-etc.” like these, where the “etc.” part is actually the dial number.

Some interesting stuff!
- Many of the stone dials are shown *only* with the 6/9 diamond markers. I believe these came later than the no-markers stone dials, but no-markers stone dials were certainly offered on 182xx references.
- Is that red no-markers dial carnelian? Coral? Something else?
- Shows the red and brown vignettes, and two different diamond styles are shown on blue vignettes (one is invalid, and neither has the smaller 8+2 settings), but no green vignette.
- No non-diamond vignettes - I’ve suspected there were no such ever offered, and I’ve only seen one image of such (a brown one) which claimed to be factory.

Thanks for sharing

[Dubshack891]

Where could you find what dial your watch is supposed to have either on the watch or on the paperwork? Does it matter which dial it has for resale value?

[miamiclay]

Originally Posted by Dubshack891

Where could you find what dial your watch is supposed to have either on the watch or on the paperwork? Does it matter which dial it has for resale value?

Sometimes the dial numbers were on the warranty certificates, but most often there is no way to know which dial was originally on the watch. Dials strongly affect value - A vintage DD with a rare and/or desirable dial might be worth 3X (or more) the value of one with a common or less desirable dial.

[Incroyable12]

Some rare dials are worth more than the actual watch.

A mint genuine Stella is probably worth more loose than the 18038 it came in.

[fskywalker]

Anyone has the different ones available for WG 18039 / 18239 models?

[KY..]

Some more factory dials that were shared recently…

[foxytimes]

Thanks a lot. That's interesting that even the WG dials seem to have a factory number 13/18038-xxx. Many relatively rare birds included e.g. WG pléiade, WG baguette serti or the special big pavé with ruby, emerald or sapphire hour markers.

A galaxy only in the 5-digit-DD-dial-universe...

[miamiclay]

The dials above were the ones recently offered to a member with a 6-digit (post-2000) WG DD, in this thread.

I assume the 5- and 6-digit DD dials are interchangeable fit-wise (as I’ve seen a couple of 18239s mounted with dials not available before 2000), but RSC won’t offer any of the later, 6-digit dials for a 5-digit DD.

Does anyone have one of the “large pavé” dials (S324 with rubies, emeralds, or sapphires), or even just any pics of one mounted? I don’t think I’ve ever seen even a photo of one of those in either YG or WG - I assume they were never offered on 5-digit DDs?

[KY..]

Originally Posted by miamiclay

Does anyone have one of the “large pavé” dials (S324 with rubies, emeralds, or sapphires), or even just any pics of one mounted? I don’t think I’ve ever seen even a photo of one of those in either YG or WG - I assume they were never offered on 5-digit DDs?

I’ve only seen the large pave for the ladies watch so far but I can see them existing in super small quantity for DD36...
https://imgur.com/nHmI6UY
https://imgur.com/Z8I6TBf
https://imgur.com/Wy2Rx6M
https://imgur.com/XgrZdNp
https://www.demesy.com/ladies-rolex-...d-watch-79158/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/14415299517...DcvwYP2Qe1dFJM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/36411690284...iABEgJva_D_BwE

[foxytimes]

Large pavé show up sometimes at auctions:

In October 2022 in Monaco a 18238 large pavé with ruby markers was offered, estimate 30-60k, it remained unsold at the time.

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...eces-30/lot-79

Phillips sold a 18238 before in May 2022 with large pavé and emerald markers for around 70k (premium included, taxes excluded).

I haven't seen one live yet but it must be a treat...

[miamiclay]

Interesting, thanks!

So these large pavé dials were indeed offered on 5-digit models, and at least as far back as 1989, if the dial is original and the auction copy is correct.

The pavé dials always have their dial text on the little plaques, but this Monaco 18238 appears to have two-tone plaques - I don’t recall seeing two-tone plaques before. Also, these rubies’ settings are unlike their usual ones.
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[foxytimes]

You are right, Clay. These details are somewhat uncommon. Just for comparison: I managed to trace the emerald version by Phillips sold in Hong Kong:

https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/HK080122/1094

It is similar and different. Similar because the setting of the emeralds corresponds to the Monaco ruby version. Different because the plaques are fully in YG as are the windows whereas the Monaco dial has WG windows and bi-metal plaques.

[miamiclay]

Thanks 1M for finding and linking these - To quote young Alice, “Curiouser and curiouser!”

These two also have different hands and WG vs. YG diamond settings.

My own suspicion is that the emerald dial watch is shown as-built, but that the ruby dial may have originally come from a Tridor (or even a WG?) DD. I don’t recall seeing other YG DDs with WG window frames and dial-diamond settings, and the two-tone plaques on the ruby dial seem likely for a Tridor.

(Plenty of earlier YG DDs had factory WG diamond bezels of course, but iirc even those did not have their window frames nor their dials’ diamond settings in WG.)
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[foxytimes]

I second your suspicion for the ruby dial. The problem with the Tridors is that both WG and YG dial are possible although the reference number is a WG-one that ends with a 9. The same for the bezel. It can be YG and also (but rarer) WG afaik.

As an example this bi-color (not Tridor) 18349 with Lozange (YG) dial and bi-color bracelet:

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...ces-22/lot-259

Sold for 117k in 2020.

[foxytimes]

I'd like to add some embroidery dial examples to the dial universe of the 5-digit DD. I came across these specimen while researching into the large pavé.

The first one is a 18238 sold in October 2022 for around 30k.

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...ces-30/lot-118

The second one is an older 18138 sold at the same auction for 57k.

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...ces-30/lot-187

The pattern is very similar. I think I like the first one more with the larger flowers/diamonds. I don't know where the inspiration came from for such embroidery dials. It has an oriental flair and reminds me of Mudéjar, a spanish/moorish art style when most of Spain was an emirate. I have no idea of the visual effect irl. Never seen one and not sure if these were part of crown collection models normally. Being mounted on a 18238 one could argue against it.

[KY..]

Originally Posted by foxytimes

I'd like to add some embroidery dial examples to the dial universe of the 5-digit DD. I came across these specimen while researching into the large pavé.

The first one is a 18238 sold in October 2022 for around 30k.

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...ces-30/lot-118

The second one is an older 18138 sold at the same auction for 57k.

https://www.monacolegendauctions.com...ces-30/lot-187

The pattern is very similar. I think I like the first one more with the larger flowers/diamonds. I don't know where the inspiration came from for such embroidery dials. It has an oriental flair and reminds me of Mudéjar, a spanish/moorish art style when most of Spain was an emirate. I have no idea of the visual effect irl. Never seen one and not sure if these were part of crown collection models normally. Being mounted on a 18238 one could argue against it.

I’ve seen them and also know of them being called honeycomb dials too although embroidered dial is its actual name.
One of these dials for the DD36 was for sale on either eBay or C24 a few years back.
They do look like artwork.