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WatchNutcase · 15 July 2020, 05:04 AM

Does anyone know which one is easier to buy from AD, the classic Submariner or the Submariner date? Is one of them more "sought after"?

C0d · 15 July 2020, 05:06 AM

Submariner Date is harder. Simply due to demand and easier resale. More people want the cyclops than not. This is according to ADs I have spoken to.

HNS · 15 July 2020, 05:08 AM

Same situation here in Switzerland. Some AD's say that after COVID both became difficult t obtain due to shortages in production during the past couple of months.

brandrea · 15 July 2020, 05:10 AM

I would say the opposite ... I see more Submariners dates than I do Submariners.

I suppose it depends on where you’re located.

WatchNutcase · 15 July 2020, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HNS

Same situation here in Switzerland. Some AD's say that after COVID both became difficult t obtain due to shortages in production during the past couple of months.

Yes I'm hearing the same. I wonder if they produce more of one model than the other.

JRell · 15 July 2020, 05:11 AM

All 3 ads near me has zero sub or sub date. He actually received two requests the day I spoke to him for 114060. So in my opinion, what ever you can get your hand on get it.

wcperkins · 15 July 2020, 05:12 AM

I’ve heard from both trusted sellers and ADs that the Submariner date is more difficult to source due to higher demand. Been on a number of waitlists for awhile now despite previous purchase history.

JRell · 15 July 2020, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

Yes I'm hearing the same. I wonder if they produce more of one model than the other.

I have always heard they produce more date version as the demand is often higher.

HNS · 15 July 2020, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

Yes I'm hearing the same. I wonder if they produce more of one model than the other.

They say - on youtube - that they produce double numbers of the date version compared to the nondate. I have not verified this.

Henrimontgomery · 15 July 2020, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HNS

Same situation here in Switzerland. Some AD's say that after COVID both became difficult t obtain due to shortages in production during the past couple of months.

Yep, AD confirmed me any steel or sport model is on waitlist now.

JRell · 15 July 2020, 05:19 AM

Without any proof of this other than this board and a gut feeling, I think that most people if they aim to get that one Rolex, it is often the sub date. If people are collectors and like a variety, they go no date as other pieces in their collection will have the cyclops, plus the first sub did not have a date. That is probably why there is more of a demand for the date, thus making more.

HNS · 15 July 2020, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Henrimontgomery

Yep, AD confirmed me any steel or sport model is on waitlist now.

You still can get date justs in steel without waitlists, but that’s about it. No professional models, not even sea dwellers or explorers even. I haven’t even seen any two tone subs.

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mito818 · 15 July 2020, 05:21 AM

Ive heard that the sub ND is harder to come by because they are produced in less quantity. Ive also heard that it is a 50/50 split in terms of attainability. In reality they are both readily available but you need a relationship with your AD to get one

Henrimontgomery · 15 July 2020, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HNS

You still can get date justs in steel without waitlists, but that’s about it. No professional models, not even sea dwellers or explorers even. I haven’t even seen any two tone subs.

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Might be another AD then, because unless I misunderstood, Bucherer confirmed waiting list were pretty much all they could offer.

They have plenty of models (other than BLRO or SKYD) for trial though.

HNS · 15 July 2020, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Henrimontgomery

Might be another AD then, because unless I misunderstood, Bucherer confirmed waiting list were pretty much all they could offer.

They have plenty of models (other than BLRO or SKYD) for trial though.

The bucherer In Bern still has a few date Justs in Steel. I bought mine 8 days ago, but I still want a ss sub. Yesterday. they had a few full stainless steel DJ 41 and 36 and a few with fluted bezels. No professional models though, except a skydweller in PM.

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JRell · 15 July 2020, 05:33 AM

It seems with the datejust, fluted and jubilee are harder to get. Then the dial color depending on which one makes it even harder. PM, diamonds, smooth bezel and sometimes oyster are a bit easier to find.

dbao · 15 July 2020, 05:47 AM

The AD's I've chatted with about this have said that they get more dates than no dates, but they have a longer waitlist for the dates and that the people on the waitlist for no dates are generally more collector types... which generally aligns with what JRell mentioned.

WatchNutcase · 15 July 2020, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dbao

The AD's I've chatted with about this have said that they get more dates than no dates, but they have a longer waitlist for the dates and that the people on the waitlist for no dates are generally more collector types... which generally aligns with what JRell mentioned.

Makes sense, cheers

Podmornica · 15 July 2020, 06:17 AM

My AD told me the Sub has much less interest compared to date version.

P.S Is it still possible to get the 10-15% OFF discount on a Day Date 40 yellow gold?

Just spoke to my AD and he seemed surprised to hear me asking about this .. I know up until recently you could easily get quite a bit off the 228238 ..

JohnnyM · 15 July 2020, 06:23 AM

It all depends on which one you like better

Polarexplorerii · 15 July 2020, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

Submariner Date is harder. Simply due to demand and easier resale. More people want the cyclops than not. This is according to ADs I have spoken to.

Sub date is more popular, it took me 3 months on the list to get my Sub Date.. I just got very lucky

bmclaurin · 15 July 2020, 06:35 AM

Right now where I live, they are both equally unobtainable without a relationship with an AD. In terms of demand, it seems to me that the Sub Date is more popular with the masses—when your average person decides they want their first and only Rolex, assuming it’s a diver, they’re probably more likely to choose the Sub Date (both for the convenience of having the date functionality and for the sheer fact of having that cyclops lens which tells everyone it’s a Rolex even from a distance). To me, the Sub (ND) is more of an enthusiast/collector model and hence less sales volume. But this is really just academic—because let’s be real, we all know the Sub (ND) is the only “real” sub.

AJMarcus · 15 July 2020, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

Does anyone know which one is easier to buy from AD, the classic Submariner or the Submariner date? Is one of them more "sought after"?

I beg to differ with the general consensus. Rolex makes less of the Submariner 114060 so I’d say it’s a toss up. I prefer the Submariner and so do many collectors. In general, The average Rolex buyer prefers the Sub date.

sutats · 15 July 2020, 07:32 AM

Hi Matt, the last time I saw any variant of a stainless steel Submariner at a London AD was back in 2015 and it was a 116610LV resting tepidly in a display case among a diverse mix of other stainless steel models. At that time I would potentially receive a small discount to purchase it. Walk-in availability in London for popular models since a little before 2015 continues to be dreadfully low.

Oyster Sauce · 15 July 2020, 07:36 AM

Word from the ADs I’ve visited is that the Sub would be a shorter wait than the Sub Date. I think this is probably true, as most non-WIS might favor the date version.

MagPI · 15 July 2020, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyM

It all depends on which one you like better

Which one you like better determines which one is easier to find? How so?

dukie748 · 15 July 2020, 07:46 AM

Last year when I was back in England (home country) I visited an AD I have purchased from for 20 years, and was told 12-18 months for either Sub - so I don't think one or other is 'easier to get'. The rest of the world is crazy, but England is a standout when it comes to SS models being virtually unobtainable.

C0d · 15 July 2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dukie748

Last year when I was back in England (home country) I visited an AD I have purchased from for 20 years, and was told 12-18 months for either Sub - so I don't think one or other is 'easier to get'. The rest of the world is crazy, but England is a standout when it comes to SS models being virtually unobtainable.

Why is that though? It seems even Tudors are like Lost Ark. Noone can find any in England.

mgsooner · 15 July 2020, 08:04 AM

I don't know if this is representative of anything but I only waited 10 days for my 114060 back in November and that was at an AD I had no prior purchase history with. I have the good fortune of living in flyover country, however.

milwatch126 · 15 July 2020, 08:06 AM

Go Submariner, so much more beautiful and rare in the wild than a Sub date. Enjoy and smile and forget it’s on you wrist.

M

15 July 2020, 05:04 AM	#1
WatchNutcase Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Matt Location: UK / EU & Canada Watch: Sub 114060 Posts: 1,349	Submariner vs Submariner date attainability Does anyone know which one is easier to buy from AD, the classic Submariner or the Submariner date? Is one of them more "sought after"?

15 July 2020, 06:35 AM	#22
bmclaurin "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Las Vegas Watch: SD4K Posts: 435	Right now where I live, they are both equally unobtainable without a relationship with an AD. In terms of demand, it seems to me that the Sub Date is more popular with the masses—when your average person decides they want their first and only Rolex, assuming it’s a diver, they’re probably more likely to choose the Sub Date (both for the convenience of having the date functionality and for the sheer fact of having that cyclops lens which tells everyone it’s a Rolex even from a distance). To me, the Sub (ND) is more of an enthusiast/collector model and hence less sales volume. But this is really just academic—because let’s be real, we all know the Sub (ND) is the only “real” sub. __________________ Rolex: SD 116600 \| Submariner 114060 \| GMT 126710BLNR \| GMT 116710LN \| Explorer II 216570 \| Explorer 214270 Other: Vacheron Constantin \| Panerai \| Omega \| Grand Seiko \| Breitling

15 July 2020, 07:32 AM	#24
sutats "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,225	Hi Matt, the last time I saw any variant of a stainless steel Submariner at a London AD was back in 2015 and it was a 116610LV resting tepidly in a display case among a diverse mix of other stainless steel models. At that time I would potentially receive a small discount to purchase it. Walk-in availability in London for popular models since a little before 2015 continues to be dreadfully low. __________________ There's no such thing as a Submariner No Date, it's simply Submariner. You don't call a Porsche 911 Turbo, a Porsche 911 Turbo No S. www.instagram.com/sutatshorology Post Your Rolex/Tudor Watch Weight (PYRTWW)

15 July 2020, 08:04 AM	#29
mgsooner "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Matthew Location: Tulsa, OK, USA Posts: 1,946	I don't know if this is representative of anything but I only waited 10 days for my 114060 back in November and that was at an AD I had no prior purchase history with. I have the good fortune of living in flyover country, however. __________________ \|Rolex Submariner 114060\| \|Rolex Datejust 126234 silver\| \|Grand Seiko SBGT021 day-date quartz\|

15 July 2020, 08:06 AM	#30
milwatch126 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: Emerald Island Watch: 1962, 5512 Posts: 180	Go Submariner, so much more beautiful and rare in the wild than a Sub date. Enjoy and smile and forget it’s on you wrist. M __________________ Insta: milwatch12.6 Looking a flat 4 LV insert and early flat 5512 hands.

15 July 2020, 05:06 AM	#2
C0d Banned Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Kanata Watch: Dog Posts: 815	Submariner Date is harder. Simply due to demand and easier resale. More people want the cyclops than not. This is according to ADs I have spoken to.

15 July 2020, 05:08 AM	#3
HNS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Switzerland Watch: DateJust 41 Posts: 100	Same situation here in Switzerland. Some AD's say that after COVID both became difficult t obtain due to shortages in production during the past couple of months.

15 July 2020, 05:10 AM	#4
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 77,589	I would say the opposite ... I see more Submariners dates than I do Submariners. I suppose it depends on where you’re located.

15 July 2020, 05:11 AM	#6
JRell "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Pittsburgh Watch: 126710BLNR Jubilee Posts: 7,061	All 3 ads near me has zero sub or sub date. He actually received two requests the day I spoke to him for 114060. So in my opinion, what ever you can get your hand on get it.

15 July 2020, 05:12 AM	#7
wcperkins "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 12	I’ve heard from both trusted sellers and ADs that the Submariner date is more difficult to source due to higher demand. Been on a number of waitlists for awhile now despite previous purchase history.

15 July 2020, 05:19 AM	#11
JRell "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Pittsburgh Watch: 126710BLNR Jubilee Posts: 7,061	Without any proof of this other than this board and a gut feeling, I think that most people if they aim to get that one Rolex, it is often the sub date. If people are collectors and like a variety, they go no date as other pieces in their collection will have the cyclops, plus the first sub did not have a date. That is probably why there is more of a demand for the date, thus making more.

15 July 2020, 05:21 AM	#13
mito818 Banned Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: AZ Posts: 90	Ive heard that the sub ND is harder to come by because they are produced in less quantity. Ive also heard that it is a 50/50 split in terms of attainability. In reality they are both readily available but you need a relationship with your AD to get one

15 July 2020, 05:33 AM	#16
JRell "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Pittsburgh Watch: 126710BLNR Jubilee Posts: 7,061	It seems with the datejust, fluted and jubilee are harder to get. Then the dial color depending on which one makes it even harder. PM, diamonds, smooth bezel and sometimes oyster are a bit easier to find.

15 July 2020, 05:47 AM	#17
dbao "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: DC Posts: 16	The AD's I've chatted with about this have said that they get more dates than no dates, but they have a longer waitlist for the dates and that the people on the waitlist for no dates are generally more collector types... which generally aligns with what JRell mentioned.

15 July 2020, 06:17 AM	#19
Podmornica Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: EU Posts: 806	My AD told me the Sub has much less interest compared to date version. P.S Is it still possible to get the 10-15% OFF discount on a Day Date 40 yellow gold? Just spoke to my AD and he seemed surprised to hear me asking about this .. I know up until recently you could easily get quite a bit off the 228238 ..

15 July 2020, 06:23 AM	#20
JohnnyM Banned Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Merica Watch: All the good ones Posts: 173	It all depends on which one you like better

15 July 2020, 07:36 AM	#25
Oyster Sauce "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: USA Posts: 1,866	Word from the ADs I’ve visited is that the Sub would be a shorter wait than the Sub Date. I think this is probably true, as most non-WIS might favor the date version.

15 July 2020, 07:46 AM	#27
dukie748 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Here + There Posts: 750	Last year when I was back in England (home country) I visited an AD I have purchased from for 20 years, and was told 12-18 months for either Sub - so I don't think one or other is 'easier to get'. The rest of the world is crazy, but England is a standout when it comes to SS models being virtually unobtainable.

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