Accurate listings

[mrblue]

I understand the reporting of fake items being listed as genuine. That said, I don't understand reporting accurate listings. Some watches do have aftermarket dials, bracelets, etc. that are not Rolex. So what? If it is being sold using an accurate description why is that anyone here's business?

[J_1964]

I don't think anyone is interested in reporting as fake, watches that are listed with accurate descriptions that do disclose the aftermarket parts.

[CaveDweller]

To take a recently reported item - the seller clearly said that it had an aftermarket bracelet - however, the bracelet was equally clearly stamped "Rolex"

In my opinion, this is a breach of copyright at the very least, with the implied intent to deceive at the point of manufacturer - otherwise why the Rolex stamp ?

The same goes for dials unless they are genuine Rolex re-finished dials - this is where it gets kinda cloudy. Some say it's OK, some do not - but we can split hairs (and feathers) over the issue all day long

The fact remains (the bracelets being a clear example), that counterfeit goods, whether declared or not, are unlawful to sell, and pollute the market for genuine articles

As to declared aftermarket parts that do not display the Rolex logo - fair enough

It's ultimately the use of the Rolex logo that is being defended here - where the seller is selling an item that says it's from Rolex, but in fact it isn't - declared or otherwise

To take it to the extreme, why not sell a completely fake Rolex, and declare it as such ?

Counterfeit is counterfeit - and declaring it in the listing doesn't get you off the hook - it's still unlawful to sell

[mrblue]

Then it is up to eBay to remove the listing. I'm sure there are a lot of copyright issues regarding the sale of all types of goods on their platform. Did Rolex authorize people in this board to defend their copyrights? Again I support outing fakes that are deceiving people to believe they are genuine. Beyond that Rolex has the standing to protect the Rolex name.

[CaveDweller]

From your posting history (most of it confrontational), I can only assume this is another wind up - not biting – sorry, you’ll have to find someone else to play with …….

[mrblue]

I stand corrected. You are authorized to pass judgement on everything.

[Tools]

Aftermarket is one thing... counterfeit is another, and an illegal enterprise, hence, counterfeit goods on the Forum is not permissible.

The boards are here to provide members information in their potential purchases, and help avoid counterfeits or damaged/incorrect fabrications.

TRF is not a part of any movement or member "reporting" or not reporting deceptive practices, goods, or services.

Wouldn't the reporting of deceptive practices be good for the overall watch community though?

[mrblue]

I agree. The forum has the right to allow whatever it chooses. I'm simply referencing listings on eBay which might not meet the standards of purists but are not deceptive

[wesdaniel]

If something is stamped "Rolex" but isn't Rolex, how is that not deceptive?

I bought a watch that had an aftermarket bracelet that looked like a Rolex bracelet but didn't have the name or logo on it. That's one thing. But, when you take that bracelet and add the logo and the name, it makes it, by its very definition, deceptive.

And, if people report these to eBay as being counterfeit due to the unauthorized use of the trademark, eBay has the option of saying it's none of anybody's business except the buyer or the seller or of saying that it is infringement and removing the item. They usually opt to remove the item which says quite a bit.

[mrblue]

What if that aftermarket bracelet you bought was stamped Rolex and you were deceived? Would you not have the right to sell it to someone as long as you revealed that it was not in fact genuine? The alternative is that you must keep it forever. Nonsense.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by mrblue

What if that aftermarket bracelet you bought was stamped Rolex and you were deceived? Would you not have the right to sell it to someone as long as you revealed that it was not in fact genuine? The alternative is that you must keep it forever. Nonsense.

You are confused about law.

Selling counterfeit products is illegal, regardless if you tell somebody that it is counterfeit.

If you purchased a counterfeit product then your only legal recourse is to recover your costs from where you bought it, and press charges if need be.

You do not get to commit the same crime that was perpetuated on you just so you can get rid of the evidence.

[mrblue]

I agree with you.