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philipauer · 23 February 2018, 11:00 PM

Hi, I bought a Rolex Submariner 116610. The watch came with the box, warranty card, hang tag and all links. I met up with the buyer at my local AD. We had the watchmaker authenticate the watch by looking at the watch and unscrewing the case back. This AD is also a certified Rolex repair centre (Damiani Jewellers in Toronto).

I'm still not 100% sure the watch is legit (I'm paranoid).

I feel like I did my due diligence but would really appreciate an opinion.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to look at this post and giving your opinion.

Sincerely,
Philip A.

beshannon · 24 February 2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by philipauer

I met up with the buyer at my local AD. We had the watchmaker authenticate the watch by looking at the watch and unscrewing the case back. This AD is also a certified Rolex repair centre (Damiani Jewellers in Toronto).

Really not sure how to help by looking at a couple of pictures

JZD · 24 February 2018, 12:34 AM

All of that is not good enough to make you comfortable? But the opinions of Internet strangers based on pictures alone are going to make you feel better?

Cryten · 24 February 2018, 03:35 AM

I'm going to defer to the Rolex certified watchmaker, who not only handled the watch but took the back off it.

What more do you need?

tyler1980 · 24 February 2018, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JZD

All of that is not good enough to make you comfortable? But the opinions of Internet strangers based on pictures alone are going to make you feel better?

there are several here i would trust with a real or fake determination for sure. These guys track down a ton of eBay junk too keeping everyone a bit safer.

But yeah, a Rolex certified watchmaker i would trust too.

tbonesteak · 24 February 2018, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryten

I'm going to defer to the Rolex certified watchmaker, who not only handled the watch but took the back off it.

What more do you need?

This - not much more to be said...

Maybe shoot Jean-Frédéric Dufour an email?

If the Rolex certified watchmaker says it is good, I'd have to trust that. Outside of that, you'd have to send it to an RSC.

MonBK · 24 February 2018, 05:06 AM

"I'm still not 100% sure the watch is legit (I'm paranoid)."

I agree with you.

GLADIATOR · 24 February 2018, 06:14 AM

Watch is genuine.
Relax and move on!
Adam

ckaynyc · 24 February 2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Watch is genuine.
Relax and move on!
Adam

Didn't you call somebody else's SubC fake when it turned out to be genuine?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=564600

Uhtred59 · 24 February 2018, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jzd

all of that is not good enough to make you comfortable? But the opinions of internet strangers based on pictures alone are going to make you feel better?

x2

freefly · 24 February 2018, 09:01 AM

Looks fine from here.

haven_seeker · 24 February 2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ckaynyc

Didn't you call somebody else's SubC fake when it turned out to be genuine?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=564600

Not sure how this is relevant to the conversation here...maybe try replying to the OP's actual question rather than just trolling?

As to the OP, Damiani is a top-shelf jewelry store, in addition to being a Rolex authorized distributor...they definitely won't steer you wrong in any way.

I bought a watch there personally and their watchmaker Frank Teti is as good as they come!

Max16013 · 24 February 2018, 10:14 AM

I’d honestly feel more safe with whatever the consensus turns out to be on these forums over a Rolex watchmakers opinion - who likely won’t even put said opinion in writing.

That’s a big portion of why I registered on these forums, to get everyone’s help next time I decide to buy.

OT: the sub looks good to me.

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usrudiver932 · 24 February 2018, 10:38 AM

Did u pay and get a certificate saying authentic. I’m a noob and it appears to be good to me. So take it for what it’s worth. Enjoy the watch

run23 · 24 February 2018, 11:01 AM

Sorry to sound like a jerk, but I’m a bit confused. Isn’t a decent way you tell if a watch is legit is by having a certified watchmaker look at it (including the movement), which you did? I mean it could be a REALLY good fake, but I’m not sure how feedback on a few mediocre pics on a forum is going to top what you already did by having someone that knows what they are doing closely inspect the watch in person. Am I missing something here?!?

xenic · 24 February 2018, 12:11 PM

What part of the watch concerns you?

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philipauer · 24 February 2018, 02:08 PM

Thanks for all the responses. I should've been more specific about why I was a little concerned.

The watch maker didn't seem to take this too seriously. He read the numbers off the inner bezel and asked me to compare it to the warranty card and told me its legit. I asked him to open the case back and he reluctantly did it and in 2 seconds said it's legit. I know that there are good fakes out there, and I thought the watchmaker would take more than two seconds to look at the watch.

Fabrice M · 24 February 2018, 02:20 PM

Hard to tell from those pictures, but to me the numbers on the bezel seem a little off. The 30 looks a little ‘fat’, all other numbers are thin, except the 30. I check on the Rolex website and on their pictures the 30 is definitely thin. Of course this could be caused and probably is, by lens distortion making the 30 look fatter than it really is... but if you look at the 0 on the 50 and the 30 they seem different. Otherwise, it looks pretty good.

andycoph · 24 February 2018, 03:17 PM

Its fake. Take the loss and move on. I'll get it from you for 2k just for you to get atleast something back. :D

andycoph · 24 February 2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by philipauer

Thanks for all the responses. I should've been more specific about why I was a little concerned.

The watch maker didn't seem to take this too seriously. He read the numbers off the inner bezel and asked me to compare it to the warranty card and told me its legit. I asked him to open the case back and he reluctantly did it and in 2 seconds said it's legit. I know that there are good fakes out there, and I thought the watchmaker would take more than two seconds to look at the watch.

Believe it or not that's how quick they can tell if the watch is legit or not. A glance at at the front and a glance at the movement and its done. They handle watches everyday so I'm sure you can trust them.

Al1969 · 24 February 2018, 04:37 PM

Bring it to your nearest RSC for a service estimate. That should clear up any concerns.

newbee1 · 25 February 2018, 10:35 AM

If you don’t want to take it to RSC, just take it to an AD and tell him you’re interested in selling. He’ll open it up and make sure it’s genuine before making an offer.

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24 February 2018, 06:14 AM	#8
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Watch is genuine. Relax and move on! Adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

24 February 2018, 04:37 PM	#21
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,638	Bring it to your nearest RSC for a service estimate. That should clear up any concerns. __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

24 February 2018, 12:34 AM	#3
JZD "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 106	All of that is not good enough to make you comfortable? But the opinions of Internet strangers based on pictures alone are going to make you feel better?

24 February 2018, 03:35 AM	#4
Cryten "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Terrafirma Posts: 2,655	I'm going to defer to the Rolex certified watchmaker, who not only handled the watch but took the back off it. What more do you need?

24 February 2018, 05:06 AM	#7
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	"I'm still not 100% sure the watch is legit (I'm paranoid)." I agree with you.

24 February 2018, 09:01 AM	#11
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Looks fine from here.

24 February 2018, 10:14 AM	#13
Max16013 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Here Watch: DJ 16013 Posts: 247	I’d honestly feel more safe with whatever the consensus turns out to be on these forums over a Rolex watchmakers opinion - who likely won’t even put said opinion in writing. That’s a big portion of why I registered on these forums, to get everyone’s help next time I decide to buy. OT: the sub looks good to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 February 2018, 10:38 AM	#14
usrudiver932 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Larry B Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: 116610LN Posts: 207	Did u pay and get a certificate saying authentic. I’m a noob and it appears to be good to me. So take it for what it’s worth. Enjoy the watch

24 February 2018, 11:01 AM	#15
run23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 590	Sorry to sound like a jerk, but I’m a bit confused. Isn’t a decent way you tell if a watch is legit is by having a certified watchmaker look at it (including the movement), which you did? I mean it could be a REALLY good fake, but I’m not sure how feedback on a few mediocre pics on a forum is going to top what you already did by having someone that knows what they are doing closely inspect the watch in person. Am I missing something here?!?

24 February 2018, 12:11 PM	#16
xenic "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 15	What part of the watch concerns you? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 February 2018, 02:08 PM	#17
philipauer "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Real Name: Philip Location: Canada Watch: Submariner 116610 Posts: 3	Thanks for all the responses. I should've been more specific about why I was a little concerned. The watch maker didn't seem to take this too seriously. He read the numbers off the inner bezel and asked me to compare it to the warranty card and told me its legit. I asked him to open the case back and he reluctantly did it and in 2 seconds said it's legit. I know that there are good fakes out there, and I thought the watchmaker would take more than two seconds to look at the watch.

24 February 2018, 02:20 PM	#18
Fabrice M 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Denver Watch: This and that... Posts: 1,643	Hard to tell from those pictures, but to me the numbers on the bezel seem a little off. The 30 looks a little ‘fat’, all other numbers are thin, except the 30. I check on the Rolex website and on their pictures the 30 is definitely thin. Of course this could be caused and probably is, by lens distortion making the 30 look fatter than it really is... but if you look at the 0 on the 50 and the 30 they seem different. Otherwise, it looks pretty good.

24 February 2018, 03:17 PM	#19
andycoph Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Manila, PH Posts: 36	Its fake. Take the loss and move on. I'll get it from you for 2k just for you to get atleast something back. :D

25 February 2018, 10:35 AM	#22
newbee1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Real Name: Ash Location: Far and away Watch: Rolex day date Posts: 251	If you don’t want to take it to RSC, just take it to an AD and tell him you’re interested in selling. He’ll open it up and make sure it’s genuine before making an offer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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