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Seller refuse to give serial numbers?
I spoted a Sub no date on the website of a pro seller who has a shop.
Price is 3 150 euros. Paper + box included and a 1 year warranty from the shop. I asked him the serial number, he told me it was confidential. I asked him the number on the clasp, he told me that if I don't trust him, I should buy a brand new watch. He only gave me the year and the country code. He told me he didn't open the watch because it was running well and so it was not necessary to open it. What do you think about these things ? Thanks What is your opinion ? |
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I would do as he says; "Buy from an AD or New." Especially if a salesperson treated me with that much contempt. If I am buying something and don't get full disclosure then I won't be buying. There are plenty of places to spend my money.
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So it is not normal he hides these infirmations ? Once I am in the shop, I could see the clasp anyway and ask him to remove the bracelet to check the watch, so this his reaction by mail is silly. Is asking him to open the watch in the shop normal or too much ? The problem is that I can not find a No date not COSC for 3 150 euros from an AD. |
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too much arrogance for a seller i think.... can rolexes be brought in from the us into france? |
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Walk away if you're the slightest bit uncomfortable.
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buddy orchi has one on sale...
no date no cosc vintage sub.... http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=40980 |
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The seller didn't have to totally refuse to give you the s/n, yes, the should have provided at least the prefix of the s/n to give you an indicatio how old the watch was.
The seller is a bit arrogant, perhaps he was perceiving you as a tire kicker, who knows. If the seller does not want to entertain your questions and concerns, I'd go somewhere else. Heck, run away if the seller does not even want to have the watch authenticated via RSC.
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Give the seller a ring and sort it out. Followup with an email of your discussion so there is a record. Sometimes it's better to talk than to email. Also, it's easier to check if he's hiding something.
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like my friend wally says "they made more than one".
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What is RSC? He told me watch was genuine, with all papers. I asked him if the checked if it was stolen of fake, he told me yes. I don't think I risk anything as it is a professional seller so I know where he is if I have a problem. He told me he didn't open the watch = does it seem odd ? |
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I replied = "Simplier for who? Not for me as I need to get the informations BEFORE coming to be able to check them online before buying. I will not come just to get simple informations I can get by email" |
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RSC is Rolex Service Center.
Looks like this seller likes to deal with folks the old fashioned way, ie F2F. Usually, you avoid cracking open the case esp if there is nothing wrong with it, but to ensure that there is a genuine movement in there, he has to show it to you. If you are unsure about this seller, post a reference check at www.watchnet.com under deal watch and see if anyone else has bought from them. Quote:
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But its is a small shop in Paris so doubt that anyone out of France bought from them. |
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Don't touch, it walk away.
There are so many geniune sellers out there,its just not worth taking the risk.
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the s/n on a watch is no different than on a car. it isn't confidential and shouldn't make any difference to him if he gives it to you so you can check it out for your self. removing the case back is no problem at all and i can't begin to imagine what his problem is with that, it takes less than five minutes. if he is afraid he will damage the o-ring seal it costs about .50 and that shouldn't be an issue for him either. unless it is the price of a life time i would just find another one to buy. i can't imagine his reaction to your requests unless he thinks you aren't a serious buyer.
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I'm off put and I am not even involved. Drop him like a hot potato.
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I proposed him 2 700 euros, he refused.
I may go in the shop to check the watch and ask for the numbers and see the movement. As he is a jeweller selling watches for 14 years, I bet opening the watch will be easy. Bernard Watch refused to give me the serial numbers of a watch too. |
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Tell him for that kind of money you are exercising due diligence. If he has a problem with that, tell him he not only lost a sale, he lost a customer and you will tell everybody you know to avoid him like the plague. The guy sounds like an
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doing research to make sure everything is correct about the watch.
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