7924 big crown eBay - any thoughts!

[TuRo]

This rare big crown 37mm watch up for sale on eBay £2000 at moment. Perfect ones go for £100,000 plus. Btw (see a beauty at the bottom)

Few obvious points - wrong caseback (should be small writing) wrong movt should be brass, insert (long 5?) not 58 red triangle, then there's the dial....

The 7924 should have a depth rating of 200mtr (not 100m as big case) and it is faded/scrubbed out.

Anyone else have any observations on case engravings, brevet big crown, handset, insert, plexi and that dial btw ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175564783...mis&media=COPY

The beauty - Tudor Submariner
£120,052
https://chrono24.app/tudor/tudor-vin...GB&SETCURR=GBP

[TuRo]

Up to £10k now and tbh that looks like a 100m dial as the the two m's in the SUBMARINER and M(eter) text above each other, don't line up exactly as you'd expect in a 200m!

Anyone else care to comment ?

[linesiders]

Looks legit, have same thoughts on dial (you can see the 1 on left). Movement is of correct engravings (there are multiple revisions over the years). I like it but deduct for the dial.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Few obvious points - wrong caseback (should be small writing) wrong movt should be brass, insert (long 5?) not 58 red triangle, then there's the dial....

So for detail on your points, while I have a few more minutes

There are three exterior caseback styles on the 7924, and 2-3 interior styles, this is one . I have not gone thru and extensively looked to see if there are only three variations or if there are more (ex small writing and not pearled inside). There is an additional service caseback.

Movement can be Rhodium, IMO, more likely to have Rhodium (whereas 7922 small crown is Pink), they started on the 7924 (and maybe 7922 Big Crown but unsure on that). The thing is they have very few engravings, why this one *may* be original, later ones have a lot more engravings but there are still several revisions in the 7924 line.

I would L O V E for some additional sourcing info on brass 7924 movements - hard to prove what left factory brass or rhodium.

Yes, insert is a MK2 Long5, but is it the 5513/7928 series? Or the service run of MK2s which are a hair shorter diameter. To me, it looks like a factory service Stainless Steel bezel, which is meant for the normal MK2/MK3/MKx plexi crowned inserts.

Originally Posted by TuRo

Anyone else have any observations on case engravings, brevet big crown, handset, insert, plexi and that dial btw ?

Crown looks correct, crimped, not aftermarket like many that show up in parts watches. Ref engraving is correct, what little of serial looks correct,

Dial thought - does that look like tritium to you? There was a small run of Tritium service dials in very early 60s that I know are there for 7922 (my 7922 below is tritium) - this could be one.

One day I hope to find a correct dial for my 7924, until then it will have a 7928 dial in it.

Originally Posted by TuRo

The beauty - Tudor Submariner
£120,052
https://chrono24.app/tudor/tudor-vin...GB&SETCURR=GBP

Oh, that's a beauty.

My Favorite:

https://lunaroyster.com/product/1959...ble-condition/

[TuRo]

Great thanks for comments.
Yes those two are lovely pieces indeed.
Caseback info great Gerhard said same.
Agreed Fleurier mvt info would be good. The last 3 7924s I've seen have been brass my reason for questioning it...but yes point taken on calibre engraving.
It does look a bit like tritium - didn't know about the service Tritium
'swiss' dials - interesting stuff.
Agree on bezel material steel service not brass and your insert pont
Be interesting to see what this hotch-potch makes....case, crown and 290 and nice brown long 5 worth a few bob (dial only £1000 perhaps as so scuffed/poss service.... service case back and bezel ??)......
Cheers P

[Styles Bitchley]

How does a dial get that trashed? Looks like it was taken out of the case and used as a door stop for a while.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by Styles Bitchley

How does a dial get that trashed? Looks like it was taken out of the case and used as a door stop for a while.

Indeed - Not suggesting it....but an almost tactical scuff area

[linesiders]

Dial is worth $5-7K easy. There are none.

IMO, watch is fairly normal: parts swapped over time ; )

Originally Posted by TuRo

Indeed - Not suggesting it....but an almost tactical scuff area

Agree, someone thought it was better to be illegible than say 100M. Also remember, back then people did not care anywhere like we do today.

[storm66]

Originally Posted by Styles Bitchley

How does a dial get that trashed? Looks like it was taken out of the case and used as a door stop for a while.

[NickD1975]

Went for a little over £12 grand in the end.

[oysterfisher]

Not very much money if all is legit.
But the brexit is a hard problem for all EU buyers...

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by oysterfisher

Not very much money if all is legit.
But the brexit is a hard problem for all EU buyers...

I was not expecting it to go so low - someone (not me) got a really good deal.

I think it is all legit, though 100M dial was swapped in at some time and bezel/insert were replaced way back when.

[Juhuatai]

Looks about 15k gbp all in so 18k USD (assuming sold in the UK). Low but with prices the way they are and this being a big project, not surprised.

[Mark020]

Originally Posted by oysterfisher

Not very much money if all is legit.
But the brexit is a hard problem for all EU buyers...

Well I flew from Amsterdam to Gatwick (and back) earlier this week for EUR 89

[NickD1975]

Originally Posted by Juhuatai

Looks about 15k gbp all in so 18k USD (assuming sold in the UK). Low but with prices the way they are and this being a big project, not surprised.

No, it's £12,393.00 all in, plus the shipping. Any tax payable in the UK is already included. I don't know what it would cost sold outside of the UK.

Agreed on it being a big project, and that dial is always going to look knackered, rather than patina'd

[watchmainspring]

I considered this. I didn't like the bezel. It was nearly-perfect shape. I think the bezel may be aftermarket. This makes me question the whole package.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by watchmainspring

I considered this. I didn't like the bezel. It was nearly-perfect shape. I think the bezel may be aftermarket. This makes me question the whole package.

90% certain correct stainless steel service bezel. I have one, they are not unusual.

[TuRo]

Quick update and thanks to everyone who contributed, especially Linesiders.

I bought this watch and it went to eBay authentication team who gave it thumbs up.

Ups then took it for next day delivery and it was showing as out for delivery ...then puff, gone in a cloud of smoke, moved back each day for 3 days delivery day - investigation started by eBay via ups day 4 and after 30 plus days eBay refund me.

Bit disappointed, esp with UPS, but ho-hum first time it's happened in 20 yrs with eBay, and 4 yrs with the authentication team been fine...might give UPS a swerve in favour of DHL or FedEx, mind ✓

[dhknola]

Hey Paul: do you suspect foul play at all? Perhaps bc it sold so low that maybe it made it back to the seller?
Bummer on the 'deal'.

[watchmainspring]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Quick update and thanks to everyone who contributed, especially Linesiders.

I bought this watch and it went to eBay authentication team who gave it thumbs up.

Ups then took it for next day delivery and it was showing as out for delivery ...then puff, gone in a cloud of smoke, moved back each day for 3 days delivery day - investigation started by eBay via ups day 4 and after 30 plus days eBay refund me.

Bit disappointed, esp with UPS, but ho-hum first time it's happened in 20 yrs with eBay, and 4 yrs with the authentication team been fine...might give UPS a swerve in favour of DHL or FedEx, mind ✓

Crazy. The ebay boxes are too recognizable. Yeah FedEx, DHL, or registered mail only.

[NickD1975]

Disappointed on your behalf to be honest - it looked like a great deal.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by dhknola

Hey Paul: do you suspect foul play at all? Perhaps bc it sold so low that maybe it made it back to the seller?
Bummer on the 'deal'.

Thanks all - my demeanour is bit cheesed off, but not devasted tbh.

Seller was fine tbh (if they'd thought it was too low they'd have said item broken or lost and cancelled order). Authentication team did their bit, the package they use is 'vanilla' with security tape with webbing.

Ups to blame.

I asked the eBay Authentication manager if they'd had many other similar disappearances, and he said no - otherwise they'd switch to DHL or FedEx of course.

The UPS driver who has been delivering to me for years (same chap every time) I asked 'did he know anything about any missing item' and he said 'he'd been working everyday for last 2 months and no 'exceptions' on delivery schedules noted by him'.

I suspect it got lost/filched at delivery depot if I were to pontificate but who knows!

I figure it's gone on the Lost and Stolen watch register now....so if you get offered a Big Crown 7924 with a scruffy wrong 100m gilt dial and a brown long five insert, politely refuse their kind offer ;-)

[KY..]

Sorry to hear about you not receiving the watch @TuRo, that sucks.
Better luck next time!
So many people discredit eBay and for good reason sometimes.
But this is a great example of why eBay is still a great resource for those who know what they are looking at.
I have picked up a lot of great items at bargain prices over the years and continue to be on the prowl.
I recently got an impossible to find 1.5 link for my AP 25594st at a steal because the seller didn’t know exactly what they had.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Quick update and thanks to everyone who contributed, especially Linesiders.

I bought this watch and it went to eBay authentication team who gave it thumbs up.

Ups then took it for next day delivery and it was showing as out for delivery ...then puff, gone in a cloud of smoke, moved back each day for 3 days delivery day - investigation started by eBay via ups day 4 and after 30 plus days eBay refund me.

Bit disappointed, esp with UPS, but ho-hum first time it's happened in 20 yrs with eBay, and 4 yrs with the authentication team been fine...might give UPS a swerve in favour of DHL or FedEx, mind ✓

That sucks. If I thought it was going to go that low, I would have stayed bidding (I do also think it sold well enough under value).

And I look forward to your responses on vintage Tudor & also appreciate learning things from you.

I will buy on Ebay but I am hesitant to sell on Ebay. Though using their shipping/insurance did save me about a grand when a dial/handset I shipped to France got lost in France.

[Dan S]

What a disappointment. Very sorry to hear the watch went missing.

[dhknola]

With all the vintage minefields in connection with 'the deal' it sucks so bad to see it go wrong in transit. Bummer.

[SOG DIVER]

Being an Ex - Fed I find that unacceptable.
And the Yard lads at New Bond Street would not touch this inquiry....

[Filipão]

Paul I'm with you.

[watchmainspring]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Thanks all - my demeanour is bit cheesed off, but not devasted tbh.

Seller was fine tbh (if they'd thought it was too low they'd have said item broken or lost and cancelled order). Authentication team did their bit, the package they use is 'vanilla' with security tape with webbing.

Ups to blame.

I asked the eBay Authentication manager if they'd had many other similar disappearances, and he said no - otherwise they'd switch to DHL or FedEx of course.

The UPS driver who has been delivering to me for years (same chap every time) I asked 'did he know anything about any missing item' and he said 'he'd been working everyday for last 2 months and no 'exceptions' on delivery schedules noted by him'.

I suspect it got lost/filched at delivery depot if I were to pontificate but who knows!

I figure it's gone on the Lost and Stolen watch register now....so if you get offered a Big Crown 7924 with a scruffy wrong 100m gilt dial and a brown long five insert, politely refuse their kind offer ;-)

Of all the packages to go missing, this one is highly questionable. Too many anomalies.

[Singhalager]

I dont like the idea that packages with content like this are opened midway to be authenticated. Who is opening packages? Is there a team of people working in this department, ofcourse there is. So can you trust all of them? Just takes one to have a contact in their shipping department to cherry pick nice items once they are shipped onto their final destination. One or two a year so as not to raise suspicion. This watch would be a prime candidate for that.